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davidmash 03-16-2012 12:48 AM

Speaking of "getting it wrong"
 
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Santorum claimed legal euthanasia is responsible for “10 percent of all deaths for the Netherlands.” Government statistics show euthanasia is climbing, but represented only 2.3 percent in 2010, according to the most recent data.
Santorum added that half of the people euthanized were killed “involuntarily.” A representative of the Royal Dutch Medical Association said “there are no forced cases of euthanasia.” Dutch euthanasia review boards found nine cases in 2010 where doctors “had not acted in accordance with the due care criteria,” mostly for how the procedure was performed — not because it was against anyone’s will.
Santorum claimed the Dutch elderly wear bracelets that say “do not euthanize me,” but the Dutch government and medical association say no such bracelets exists. Santorum “might be confused with a ‘do not resuscitate’ bracelet or necklace” worn by some patients, a medical association representative said
OK, Obama got a quote wrong. How does this compare to the above? Hos accusations do not pass the sniff test much less the logic test.

Fact Check

LaRondo 03-16-2012 01:07 AM

Since when are the Netherlands Santorum's business?
But yes, of course Ron Paul is "unelectable"!

How much more rubbish will the American people eat from those warp-heads, before they are fed up?

LaRondo 03-17-2012 12:33 AM

Here is another Santorum >>> "War on Porn"

Rick Santorum declares war on pornography: I will ban hardcore porn if I

Talking about "unelectable". Meschugge is more like it. I hope you don't mind me dropping this off here ....

Jorn 03-17-2012 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo (Post 2904039)
Here is another Santorum >>> "War on Porn"

Rick Santorum declares war on pornography: I will ban hardcore porn if I

Talking about "unelectable". Meschugge is more like it. I hope you don't mind me dropping this off here ....

The "funny" thing is that most porn is sold in the bible belt...:rolleyes:

jplinville 03-17-2012 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 2904049)
The "funny" thing is that most porn is sold in the bible belt...:rolleyes:

Actually, Utah is the highest consumer of online porn.

Botnst 03-18-2012 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by davidmash (Post 2903463)
OK, Obama got a quote wrong. How does this compare to the above? Hos accusations do not pass the sniff test much less the logic test.

Fact Check

Your dimwit says less idiotic things than the other dimwit. Congratulations.

Honus 03-18-2012 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 2904522)
Your dimwit says less idiotic things than the other dimwit. Congratulations.

False equivalence, again.

Santorum told specific falsehoods about euthanasia practices in the Netherlands because he wanted to score political points in the debate over health care policy. His was a more sophisticated version of Palin's death panels canard.

Obama used an urban legend, the same one previously used by Reagan, to make a point about the GOP's alleged resistance to alternative energy technologies. Does anyone really think that his point was to say what Rutherford B. Hayes thought about telephones? Of course not. He was making a point about luddites in general.

Obama's sin was repeating a supposed historical fact without checking its accuracy. At worst, he conveyed a false impression of President Hayes's attitude toward new technologies. His basic point about people, in general, being resistant to change is fair (and accurate, IMHO). Santorum, on the other hand, told falsehoods about the Netherlands in an effort to scare people away from Obama's healthcare policies. Is one offense, worse than the other? That's for each person to decide, but they are not equivalent.

LaRondo 03-18-2012 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Honus (Post 2904553)
False equivalence, again.

He made a generic statement addressing a consistent attitude. I don't see an equivalence applied. In fact, the overall nature of this attitude gives a flying hoot about equivalence.

Botnst 03-18-2012 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Honus (Post 2904553)
False equivalence, again....

False arguement: I didn't say they were equally idiotic. Your dimwit is indeed less idiotic than the other dimwits. Congratulations.

Honus 03-18-2012 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 2904650)
False arguement: I didn't say they were equally idiotic. Your dimwit is indeed less idiotic than the other dimwits. Congratulations.

Oh. I misunderstood.

Botnst 03-18-2012 09:36 PM

It's easy to misunderstimate.

The Clk Man 03-18-2012 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 2904804)
It's easy to misunderstimate.

Ya think? :eek:

Can't Know 03-18-2012 09:41 PM

I find a certain irony in the fact that of all of the various forums and social media sites I visit, the only people discussing the gop candidates are the libs...and the more liberal, the more rabid the discussion.

Botnst 03-18-2012 09:55 PM

Discussing Obama's recent achievements isn't especially invigorating for the Democrat Party stalwarts.

LaRondo 03-18-2012 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Can't Know (Post 2904808)
I find a certain irony in the fact that of all of the various forums and social media sites I visit, the only people discussing the gop candidates are the libs...and the more liberal, the more rabid the discussion.

You are absolutely right. There was and is nothing to discuss about since Ron Paul was the only relevant GOP candidate.
This can be disputed to whatever consent, but not to see, recognize and ingest this fact is either bluntly stupid or maliciously ignorant.
Tracing the recent indications and developments, I would suggest the heavy weight is with the later.

Chances are, it's probably not what you meant, but I could easily understand it this way. ;)


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