My Ranger 33 was destroyed last year. It was a 33' fin keel spade rudder boat. Been looking to replace it with a large trailerable boat. Not really concerned with the ability to trailer launch it as I am with transporting it overland to different cruising areas as opposed to sailing to them. I have a 21 Sea Pearl Trimaran for beach cruising in protected waters. I'm interested in a bluewater capable boat which would be secure on the Great Lakes, Bahamas, Baja etc. What are people's opinions on fin keel/spade rudder monohulls vs. full keel/keel hung rudders. I realize the traditional keel boat will be somewhat slower and more difficult to manoever in tight quarters. Here's a picture of one I'm considering.

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1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

I owned a '68 C & C Redwing, 30' long and fast.



There are still lot's of then on the water.

More pictures @ Review - 30 Redwing

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Full keel vs. fin keel? How much do you value speed and "feel" on the wheel or tiller? A fin keel boat basically pivots around the keel, and having that separate rudder really helps it do so. A full keel will feel much more truck-like while sailing, slower to respond to the helm. Full keel boats are going to be slower in general with more wetted surface, etc., but they may be less tender, depending on the design.

Also, backing will be less easy with a full keel, if it matters to you.

I don't think you have to worry about seaworthiness, so to speak, with a fin keel, as long as you have a decent make of boat. Construction matters more than configuration.

All the above are my opinions, formed with a lot of blue water and brown water under various keels. And I'm talking cruising boats - not crazy racing boats with "fin" keels.

Rgds,
Chris W.
'95 E300D

Once had about 20 minutes at the helm of "Constellation" (early 12 meter America's Cup winner) for a team building event several years ago, and she drove like an absolute pig, my expectations were crushed! Relatively tiny rudder with big full keel = SLOW SLOW response.

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Sailing is about time and time sailing is a blur when past. The boat is probably best chosen by its accommodations for what you remember while on it and not by its sailing characteristics.

I think Hatterus is part of that marthas vinyard type crowd,( but he might be just into the internal combustion boats) round here people give sailboats away to whoever will move them or take over the slip payments.

Visited the boat last week and decided to purchase it. It's in good condition and thoughtfully built. Originally sold as a kit boat but never completely finished until bought by the current owner who is a boat builder and boat repairer. He gutted and refinished using the wisdom of a man who works on older boats all the time. I liked his thinking. Has a cylinder 12hp Westerbeke diesel with only 470 hrs that he installed.

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1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

One half dozen or the other, it depends what you want. Full keel boats are trucks, but if your going offshore one design doesn't really have any advantages over the other.

Buy on quality, one heck of a bargain if you can stand an ugly as sin boat are the Contest's. No many people know them in this country so you can pick them up for a song, and they are not very pretty, nor do they sail all that great.

But they are built like tanks and I'd trust one in a blow, they are a North Sea boat. Construction wise they are no different than a Swan or Rassy, but you can pick them up for the price of something lame.

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I like fast sailboats, I race them every single weekend May to October. Nothing like blowing past the slower sailboats when we get tuned.




I'm into any kind of boat that floats.

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Its a Cape Dory, well at least the hull is. I'm guessing 70's vintage? That style was quite popular at the time. My friend had one until it burned to the ground, sailed pretty good. Nice CQR on the front too.

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2007 Tiara 3200

It's a Voyager 26. Similar to a Cape Dory but a different company. I don't think the Cape Dories had canoe sterns. Some were sold initially as kit boats. This is one of them. Hull made in 83 but not fully completed by the current owner until 2003. Trailer is a 96. Relatively new manual windless with that anchor and 150' of chain too.

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1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

Heard of Voyager but I have never sailed or worked on one. Is the hull and deck solid or cored?

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1999 SL500
1969 280SE
2023 Ram 1500
2007 Tiara 3200

Hull solid deck cored according to what I read. Don't know what the deck core is. Very strong boat. Talked to an owner who spent 12 hours stuck on a coral reef being hammered all night by rough seas. Had the boat hauled to check it out and only had some cosmetic damage to the rudder. This one is a minimalist version. Head and holding tank with pump out and macerator for sending overboard. Fresh water tank. Ice box. No installed stove. No 120 volt. Dual battery 12 volt system with depth sounder. Not much to go wrong.

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1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

Deck core is marine plywood. Core does not extend to the edge of the deck. Edges are solid fiberglass so no rot possible around the stanchions.

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1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

Got Safari in the water about a week ago. Only had a chance to sail her once due to inclement weather but it sails very well. Engine is nice. Given it's reputation as being unable to back up, I tried using a 'manual bow thruster' (one of my rafting oars hung off the bow--a rudder in reverse). Works very well Will only get a few days of sailing in this year.

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1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

+1. Too bad Stars aren’t going to be in the Olympics any more. Though personally i’m more into boats that go faster than the windspeed....

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