K, will book the flight then.

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You've got the wrong story. The attack on the "white boy" was in Kansas City. It was in the St. Louis burning case where the father said that there was no apparent racial motive.

Go re-read Yak's post (#20). It pretty much puts this "controversy" to rest, IMHO.

That's true, but it's nothing to brag about. The rise in crime in the 70s and 80s was much greater than the drop we have seen since then. Our crime rate and our incarceration rate are still way too high.

are we talking about the following case? It appears they are one and the same.

Police investigate burning of 13-year-old boy - KansasCity.com

Teens set kid on fire for being 'white boy' - New York Daily News

Yak mentioned the case as being in 'St Louis' when he should have said 'Kansas City'.

The only evidence of racial motivation is from the press, so we should disregard that. You can't have it both ways. The press are reporting the mother's interview and that's the sole source.

The only person claiming racial motivation wasn't there (the mother). Unless she was there and watched while her son got set on fire, put out the fire, then called 911, then called his dad.

The police did not include the expression "white boy" or hate crime in their report the day after the incident: KCTV report here - second one down: 'You get what you deserve, white boy': Boy, 13, doused in gasoline and set alight in racially-motivated attack

The police say no, the father says no; but the mother, almost anecdotally, adds "white boy" as a reason for the crime see it here: Police: Pair Set 13-Year-Old Boy On Fire - Kansas City News Story - KMBC Kansas City

Is the boy telling the police and his father something different than he's telling his mother? She's the only one crying "race" that I can find, and to emphasize, she wasn't there to hear it.

That's correct, I erred in the location.

I wrote St Louis, since I read a St Louis byline. The incident was in Kansas City. Post has been edited - and marked as such.

which comes down to the fact that all of this is hearsay and second hand reports. another reason to wear a video recorder on your person, in your car and to video tape everything at your home at all times. otherwise it gets into "he said, she said" scenarios. even reading a byline may cause one to write 'St Louis' when the actual story took place in 'Kansas City'.

National Geographic has a series out titled "Brain Games" that goes into great detail about how the mind can be made to misremember merely by the power of suggestion.

But crime is as low as it was in the early '60s...

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My mistake.

OF COURSE race was involved. Tribalism is about different tribes. Racism strikes all people. It made sense to be racist in a hunter-gatherer setting. Not so much now. Dealing with and overcoming it is the difficult part. The fact that blacks are also racist and violent, some percentage of them, does nothing to excuse or make right Zimmerman's virtual vigilantism.

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Tell that to the majority of left leaning folks and they will laugh at you and call you stupid, repeatedly and without thinking for a second. If you do it a second time they will pull the racist card on you. Just ask JR or Honus- they'll back me up.

I can only hope that you are wrong about that. Seems evident that racism exists to some extent in all colors and cultures.

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I'd imagine most left-leaning people would actually agree with that statement in fact.

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most people have "racist" tendencies. i guess you would consider me "left leaning"; nevertheless, i have been discriminated against by various people of color. and i have seen plenty of discrimination by whites, blacks, latinos, asians etc. against any and all other groups.

what is ridiculous about this thread is that alleged black on white violence is being brought up to...? justify the shooting of this unarmed black kid in florida? excuse it? i don't know? the point is, neither "justifies" the other. and, americans are, for the most part, still racist, and obsessed with guns.

p.s. yes, i notice "racist" tendencies in myself. often. i make an effort to revise my thinking, and ignore all the racial stereotypes that have been drilled into me, by family and society. and i am sure i fail to do that. i am no better than anyone else.

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Back you up on which part? If you mean the part about racism striking all people, then I mostly disagree with you. I say "mostly" because I am not qualified to say what strikes all people. In general, though, I think that few people are completely free of racism. I know that I'm not.