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alabbasi 04-22-2012 11:30 PM

Can someone teach me about oscilloscopes?
 
I see them advertized used for next to nothing and i Know that they can be used to diagnose ignition problems. Do these scopes need to be set up for automotive use or can any scope work?

How do you use them?


With best regards

Botnst 04-22-2012 11:39 PM

Easy! You blow the resistor to ground and it quits working. Happens every time.

compu_85 04-23-2012 12:58 AM

If you want to look at the actual high voltage output I'd think you would need a special scope... or at least a special probe.

I've used mine when working on the car... very handy!

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...6-22.50.32.jpg

-J

Pooka 04-23-2012 05:59 PM

Al.....

Today is 23-Apr-2012. If you visit a site called shopgoodwill.com - Welcome and search for Heath you will find that they are offering an old Heathkit ignition analyzer. This is a scope that is built for car ignitions and it will really tell you where your problems are.

This is an auction site and you don't really know if the thing works, but you can sometimes pick up some really good stuff there cheap.

Good Luck!

Botnst 04-23-2012 06:55 PM

Then replace the RC circuit to ground. If it's used, it's blown.

MS Fowler 04-23-2012 07:31 PM

How do they work on my diesels?

alabbasi 04-23-2012 07:33 PM

Thanks I'll take a look! I don't think that they work on diesel as they are used to diagnose ignition problems. But that said, I could be completely wrong.

Botnst 04-23-2012 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2925424)
How do they work on my diesels?

Flawlessly. Even the broken ones.

jplinville 04-23-2012 09:35 PM

I've used them when doing fine grinding of inside diameters on jig grinders. It shows when the wheel is cutting or not.

I've never used one on a car...

MS Fowler 04-24-2012 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 2925476)
Flawlessly. Even the broken ones.

They would give about the same indications, wouldn't they.

Jim H 04-24-2012 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alabbasi (Post 2925425)
I don't think that they work on diesel as they are used to diagnose ignition problems. But that said, I could be completely wrong.

Well, you might be able to use it to:

1. Check the injection timing signal on an OM603. This would probably take more work than it is worth, particularly to get the required TDC reference, but theoretically ...

2. Check voltage waveform to tell you if the rectifier bridge has one or more 'open' diodes, giving weak performance without shorting out the battery.

3. Using a long, slow trace, and with enough screen persistence, you could check the duty cycle of the heater's monovalve.

I'm just sayin'.

It can also make a cool workbench display :D

compu_85 04-24-2012 09:23 AM

You can also use it to check ABS sensors. That's what I was doing in the picture I posted. Made an annoying job easy.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...6-22.48.22.jpg

vs.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...6-22.45.46.jpg

MS Fowler 04-24-2012 10:13 AM

How about reading the glow plugs as a measure of combustion efficiency?

Stretch 04-24-2012 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2925763)
How about reading the glow plugs as a measure of combustion efficiency?

You could definitely measure the output from a glow plug but whether that would be a measure of combustion efficiency that's another discussion / argument! The main trouble with measuring glow plugs is that you have 4, 5, or 6 of them on our older Mercedes diesels - most scopes only have 2 channels.

Botnst 04-24-2012 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2925696)
They would give about the same indications, wouldn't they.

Uh-huh. Neat thing about a single-point. Everything gets the same answer. Not unlike political party fanatics.


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