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MS Fowler 05-08-2012 07:20 AM

Voter fraud--an expose'
 
Seems like a comprehensive plan to steal elections is in place. Some of this may be over-reach, but the author documents his allegations. Still, I do not see an answer to the criticism often posted here concerning the number required to affect an election and the penalties for voter fraud. Perhaps the penalties do not matter because they are rarely enforced. I can't remember hearing prosecution of voter fraud cases.

The Left?s National Vote Fraud Strategy Exposed

disley 05-08-2012 09:57 AM

Meet the real election fraud.
Diebold Memos Disclose Florida 2000 E-Voting Fraud | Scoop News
Florida's flawed "voter-cleansing" program - Florida’s flawed “voter-cleansing” program - Salon.com
Florida 2000 Redux: GOP Using "Voter Fraud" To Disenfranchise
Vote Fraud 2004: How Ohio was "Delivered" to Bush
The 2004 US Elections: The Mother of all Vote FraudsYou can't trust anyone these days, or has it always been this way?

Dudesky 05-08-2012 10:38 AM

I look at it like this, GOP is pushing for voter ID, DNC is screaming like spoiled little children over the issue. Who then seems to be showing their game plan here?

Dudesky 05-08-2012 10:39 AM


Well then if we all had to show ID, there wouldn't be a problem on either side would there?

Honus 05-08-2012 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dudesky (Post 2933406)
I look at it like this, GOP is pushing for voter ID, DNC is screaming like spoiled little children over the issue. Who then seems to be showing their game plan here?

GOP.

Dudesky 05-08-2012 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Honus (Post 2933414)
GOP.

Promote voter fraud by requiring ID thus preventing cheating.
Gimmee a hit of that stuff.

Honus 05-08-2012 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dudesky (Post 2933416)
Promote voter fraud by requiring ID thus preventing cheating.
Gimmee a hit of that stuff.

I'm just high on facts here. I haven't read the article mentioned in the OP yet, but everything else I've read says that voter fraud is a GOP fantasy. GOP-backed laws making it tougher to vote are real. If you've got evidence to the contrary, let's see it.

Dudesky 05-08-2012 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honus (Post 2933423)
I'm just high on facts here. I haven't read the article mentioned in the OP yet, but everything else I've read says that voter fraud is a GOP fantasy. GOP-backed laws making it tougher to vote are real. If you've got evidence to the contrary, let's see it.


Yeah, that's why the Secretary of States project was done.

elchivito 05-08-2012 11:49 AM

There'll be a concerted effort this summer and fall in affected areas to get IDs for those voters (largely Dem) who find that after exercising their rights as U.S. citizens for years, can't vote due to the new ALEC written ID laws. Voter fraud is a red herring.

Txjake 05-08-2012 11:54 AM

my only take on this is: one may vote if they are a citizen of legal age, thus not encumbered by a restriction such as a felony conviction. And, id is issued for many reasons and required for the most mundane matters of practicing commerce, which basically anyone may do. Thus, it does not seem onerous to provide an ID during the period of practicing the right to vote, which has a higher standard of restriction than that of commerce.

Pooka 05-08-2012 11:57 AM

There has been only one case in Texas where voter fraud has been alleged. Several people have been arrested and indicted.

Details are here: Seven indicted for voter fraud in RUD election - Your Houston News: The Woodlands Villager: News

Many sources, including the Defendants themselves, have alluded to the possibility that all of the indicted are strong supporters of the Tea Party.

The gist of the matter is that very few voters were expected in this election which would elect members of a Rural Utilities District. The RUD decides on the amount of taxes to levy and if an RUD can join in with other RUD's or a city. In The Woodlands only businesses are taxes on property and not homeowners, and the RUD has the power to change this.

Just a few votes would be needed to throw the election, so these guys are supposed to have stepped up to the plate and committed voter fraud.

At least that is what the Attorney General of Texas is alleging. A trial is yet to be held.

The voting in question took place over a year ago, but the Republican Attorney General of Texas took a long time before bringing any charges. The rumor going 'round is that the Defendants bragged to a number of people about what they did and this sort of forced his hand on the matter, but that is just a rumor. It could be the Attorney General was too busy looking for other cases of voter fraud but finally gave up since there don't appear to be any.

I am sure all the facts about this will come out during the trials.

Pooka 05-08-2012 12:01 PM

And......

All of those accused of voter fraud in this instance would have had no trouble producing an ID, and yet they are alleged by the State of Texas to have committed the Felony of Voter Fraud.

So this whole voter ID thing works to prevent voter fraud?

Nope.

Honus 05-08-2012 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Txjake (Post 2933453)
...Thus, it does not seem onerous to provide an ID during the period of practicing the right to vote...

I agree that it does not seem onerous, but apparently it is onerous for a number of people otherwise qualified to vote. I don't know why it is that way, but it is. I would not want to take away their right to vote unless there is some reason to do so, something more than an imaginary fear that people will show up with fake ID's and cast felonious votes. Come back to us with evidence that voter fraud happens, then maybe we can talk about depriving people of their right to vote.

MS Fowler 05-08-2012 12:06 PM

It is a real issue, with arguments on both sides.

Count me as one who sees no reason for electronic methods to cast votes. The Constitution allows PLENTY of time to count the ballots. Its only our lack of patience that compels this desire for immediate results. I see too much opportunity for mischief with electronic voting machines, but a real "paper trail" is needed to have any assurance in the votes. Electronic machines can be hacked, and if they only recount what is in their memory, there is no way to independently audit the votes.

Texas must be one messed up state.

Pooka 05-08-2012 12:06 PM

I could not find any report about the case in The Woodlands on Rush or Hannity or any other right wing talk show.

I guess they will wait until the sentences are handed down before reporting on the evils of committing Voter Fraud.


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