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Old 05-11-2012, 12:44 PM
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Anyone been approached by them? A couple of days ago I was leaving an REI store and I was approached by a "recruiter." She was trying to get new members, and membership is $15 a month or it could be annually, don't remember. WE eneded up talking quite a bit. I told her that I think GP has noble intentions, but I don't agree with some of it's methods and tactics in getting their message across. I later met up with a friend and yold him about my exchange. He said that the CEO makes over $200k a year and that their execs make around that much--all from donations. THis is a non-profit organization. Plus, he asked why are they at an REI store and not at other places where people may not be aware of saving the environment. REI tends to have wealthy people going in there (I'm not, was just window shopping) and most care about the environment and know all about sustainable living to do something at an individual level. That's how I felt, I told her that I don't feel a need to join an organization or a movement to make an impact.

Is GP still pretty militant in their ways? And is it true their execs make 6-figure salaries?

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sounds about right there's another group like them too, the name escapes me at the moment but they lost a ship near the south pole not too long ago
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Anyone been approached by them?

WE eneded up talking quite a bit.

REI tends to have wealthy people going in there

And is it true their execs make 6-figure salaries?
Yes and told them to go jump in the lake.

Was she hot? I told my recruiter to piss off because it was a guy and I wasn't interested in making time with him.

Of course you market to the people who have money and thus influence. Why pick on the bum on the street? Makes no commercial sense. WGAS what he thinks when he doesn't have influence or money to back up what he says?

So what if they do? Why does it bother anyone that a charitable institute has a CEO that makes money? I wouldn't work for them unless they paid the going rate of a person of my stature so why would I expect someone to get paid less and do the same work?
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So what if they do? Why does it bother anyone that a charitable institute has a CEO that makes money? I wouldn't work for them unless they paid the going rate of a person of my stature so why would I expect someone to get paid less and do the same work?
Yes, it does matter to me, especially when it is a non-profit organization that gets all its funds from individual donations and when the GP people say that a very small percentage of membership fees (I can't recall the number she gave me) goes toward administrative cost. If it's true that all their execs make 6-figure salaries then one has to ask what is your membership dues paying for?

And, no, she wasn't smoking hot, but I found her to be an attractive middle-age woman. In no way was I being argumentive with her. It was a pleasant talk and nothing more.
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Yes, it does matter to me, especially when it is a non-profit organization that gets all its funds from individual donations and when the GP people say that a very small percentage of membership fees (I can't recall the number she gave me) goes toward administrative cost. If it's true that all their execs make 6-figure salaries then one has to ask what is your membership dues paying for?

And, no, she wasn't smoking hot, but I found her to be an attractive middle-age woman. In no way was I being argumentive with her. It was a pleasant talk and nothing more.
It might be true that a small percentage goes towards their admin considering that there might be a large amount of contributors. I guess the question I would need to ask you is this. IF you were to work as their CEO, what do YOU expect to make? Doesn't "Non-profit group" mean they are not trying to make money for investors and owners? If so, it doesn't mean the admin runs for free or below par even. Even at 300K, it isn't much for a CEO of any good sized organization. Considering they are a worldwide organization, or at least send people and ships out to disturb others, I'd say it is reasonably sized and not just 20 guys in a shack that gather on Wed nights. So once again, what is it YOU would expect to get paid if you were hired as a CEO of a company of that magnitude? I would expect more than $200K. For that kind of money, if you called me and offered me such a job, I'd laugh at you before I hung up.

TTIWWP.

Personally, I don't really care for their tactics.
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Anyone been approached by them? A couple of days ago I was leaving an REI store and I was approached by a "recruiter." She was trying to get new members, and membership is $15 a month or it could be annually, don't remember. WE eneded up talking quite a bit. I told her that I think GP has noble intentions, but I don't agree with some of it's methods and tactics in getting their message across. I later met up with a friend and yold him about my exchange. He said that the CEO makes over $200k a year and that their execs make around that much--all from donations. THis is a non-profit organization. Plus, he asked why are they at an REI store and not at other places where people may not be aware of saving the environment. REI tends to have wealthy people going in there (I'm not, was just window shopping) and most care about the environment and know all about sustainable living to do something at an individual level. That's how I felt, I told her that I don't feel a need to join an organization or a movement to make an impact.

Is GP still pretty militant in their ways? And is it true their execs make 6-figure salaries?
The Better Business Bureau says that the CEO made $142,000 in 2010. Doesn't seem out of line for an organization that brings in $8,000,000 a year. Charity Review of Greenpeace Fund

"Militant" is probably accurate, but I am not sure why that is a bad thing.
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Honus, how reliable is that BBB report? The info was submitted by GP.

I think when tactics involve vandalism and disrupting other people's lives, then I don't think that's a good thing.
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The Better Business Bureau says that the CEO made $142,000 in 2010. Doesn't seem out of line for an organization that brings in $8,000,000 a year. Charity Review of Greenpeace Fund

"Militant" is probably accurate, but I am not sure why that is a bad thing.
Seems a little light to me. Did you look at their site? How do they fund all of that for 8 million a year. 80 million, yes.

I don't know why it would be a bad thing unless it was done to you, would you? Would YOU allow me to take offense at something you are doing and be militant about it? If we allowed everyone to take militant action because they felt their needs weren't addressed, well, you think we have chaos now, you ain't seen nuttin yet.
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I think when tactics involve vandalism and disrupting other people's lives, then I don't think that's a good thing.
Some think that because they like a certain cause or agency, it is ok for them to bend the rules or even break them. As mentioned, until someone else is allowed to do it to them and/or everyone is allowed to do it.
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They're sort of PETA but for the environment. In may own case I have little sympathy for PETA -- they're fanatically wacko IMO. Greenpeace really does have science backing-up their Gaia-worship. I'm with you on the showboating tactics, especially when it involves vandalism. But they're getting away from that leaving it to ELF and EarthFirst!.

I doubt that their top tier gets a compensation that is out of line with other NGO's. I'll bet actually less because they are so deeply committed. I used to be a member but I split with them over conservation. I think wise utilization of natural resources is the proper route but they are more extreme than me. But I still like them.
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Greenpeace really does have science backing-up their Gaia-worship. I'm with you on the showboating tactics, especially when it involves vandalism.

But they're getting away from that leaving it to ELF and EarthFirst!.
Nobody is disputing that they have science to back them up. However, when someone takes the law into their own hand, it makes things a little more difficult to support them. Just because I have a valid claim against you doesn't give me the right to bypass the law since I think they are ineffective and take a 2X4 to your head. I agree that going by the proper channels does suck at times and it takes a long time but can we allow anyone and everyone to bypass the channels because they think or they have a valid claim? I think not.

When they have gotten away from it permanently and for a while, I'd be willing to listen to them. till then, they are simply another vigilante
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I'm not sure you read what I wrote.
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I'm not sure you read what I wrote.
I'm sure I read the part where you said "But I still like them."
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My apologies for lack of clarity.

I like some aspects of Greenpeace but I parted ways with them over their earlier incarnation that promoted vandalism and their later incarnation that is increasingly intolerant of wise use conservation.
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My apologies for lack of clarity.

I like some aspects of Greenpeace but I parted ways with them over their earlier incarnation that promoted vandalism and their later incarnation that is increasingly intolerant of wise use conservation.
Fair enough.

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