I am trying to understand this.

In the United States, there is a Holocaust memorial for the Jews that were murdered in Europe by the Nazi's.

However, there is no Holocaust memorial in the U.S. for the Native Americans that were murdered by the Europeans.

When the Europeans came to America, the 500 nations included a population of over 60 million people. by the turn of the centurie that population number was reduced to 800,000.

What gives, and how is this fair?

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The wholesale slaughter of Native Americans is not something they want us to think about. If things were to progress naturally, the United States would be evacuated and returned to Native peoples.

Native American issues continue to get swept under the rug.

W.A.R. (We Are RIGHT)

National Museum of the American Indian is located in Washington, D.C.

I am pretty sure the remaining peoples would be kind enough to name a football/baseball team after the whites, if that were to occur.

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How many nations in your neck of the woods have such memorials or museums?

I don't think virgin territory disease epidemics qualify as "murdered". Everything ive read about this points to a totally unconscious slaughter of maybe 8 in 10 people based on a wildfire of European diseases wiping out Native Americans on first contact. Things like the common cold, smallpox, chicken pox, ect, who knows for sure, maybe even bubonic plague.

A complete disaster and sad chapter of history, yes, but I wouldn't call it "murder". Its not that simple. I call it a horrifying disaster instead. Murder would be if the early Europeans settlers had the slightest idea that common European dissease would be so destructive to people who had no immunities to them, and neither they or the Native peoples did.

The difference between that and the holocaust is intent. Where native peoples were intentionally slaughtered, there are memorials. The Death march to OK Indian territories for one.

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You should probably take a class or two n native American History or read a few books on the subject. There was a clear attempt to destroy the Native American Culture. There were rewards given for each scalp brought on. They were relocated to reservations which was entirely out side their normal way of life. They were forbidden to practice their religion, dances, or language. In the plains we destroyed one of their primary food sources. We introduced them to alcohol and that affect is still being felt. Murder or extermination is not always required to destroy a people. It can be done more subtly.

I think a very strong argument can be made that we murdered the Native Americans in this country. Perhaps a better word might be destroyed.

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My current location/ neck of the woods is niether the country of my birth, nor the focus of this thread. America is the focus. 'The United States'.

Perhaps you can try to stay on subject. Or..perhaps you will continue to deflect the focus..your choice.

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We are paying and will continue to pay for our crimes against native peoples. They didn't ask to be conquered. They were doing just fine before white eye showed up. Recently, I heard a preacher tell a Native American man this:

"Aren't you glad the Europeans came to America and conquered your people so that you could have the Bible and Jesus?"

Fortunately for preacher John, this particular Native American wasn't hostile; for there are some Native Americans that would have punched him square in the nose.

I appreciate your transparency, and your honesty.

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No need to be obnoxious, you are missing my point, in that while what you say has been done, what ive been reading on the subject supports that the VAST majority of deaths of Native Americans was via disease, well before any organized nation persecuting them, which ALSO happened, I agree.
This is well before the US and other European colonial based governments. The reasons there were so few Native Americans on such an incredibly fertile land mass points to massive death several generations before the organization of a country or much larger colonial popluations. Im talking between 1500 and 1600.

I read recently a very interesting book called "1491", which describes some early expedition journals by Spanish and other nationalities which discuss teeming city states of mudbrick and thatch crowded with native Americans in areas like the Mississippi river near St Louis, then some 200 years later, nothing, a total absence of civilization and much reduced human population, in fact back to near hunter gatherer based tribal systems.

Points to massive death, the difference between what was seen by very early Europeans, and what was seen by colonists pushing west hundreds of years later. Otherwise, what happened to those people? where did they go, those ancient Native American civilizations?

Their disappearance coincides closely with the first european presence in the american continents, or about how long it would take an epidemic to work through trade across the continent.

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The ability to create museums and increase public awareness is also a function of the affected population.

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If you gentlemen can't understand the difference between the Holocaust - the deliberate systemic murder of over 6 million people over a 4 year period, not counting the other tens of millions that died during WWII, with the clear intent on the part of those running the "final solution" to wipe an entire ethnic group from the face of the earth - and the wars and other atrocities that occurred because of the encroachment and resulting conflict of one civilization upon another, over a period of four centuries....

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Your post posed the question why there no museum or memorial marking the demise of First Nation members; I responded that there is a National museum in DC that does cover that. There are also other landmarks around the nation that document past events as well, such as The Trail of Tears. So, your premise is incorrect, there are such places denoted by Americans in America.

My second post was indeed intended to flip the question of the topic, which seemed more criticism than an academic endeavor to ask, what other nations recognize their past, including its faults? I have been to a few here in this nation.

There's also the issue of documentation and memory. The holocaust was graphically captured on film whereas the NA slaughter was far before it, with the exception of some of those out west that still were around after the camera and film techniques were invented. It has long been established that public mourning occurs partially through images, and where there are none leaves a void in public memory.

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