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Old 05-22-2012, 04:28 PM
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Last week PJM Interconnection, the company that operates the electric grid for 13 states (Delaware, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia and the District of Columbia) held its 2015 capacity auction. These are the first real, market prices that take Obama’s most recent anti-coal regulations into account, and they prove that he is keeping his 2008 campaign promise to make electricity prices “necessarily skyrocket.”
The market-clearing price for new 2015 capacity – almost all natural gas – was $136 per megawatt. That’s eight times higher than the price for 2012, which was just $16 per megawatt. In the mid-Atlantic area covering New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and DC the new price is $167 per megawatt. For the northern Ohio territory served by FirstEnergy, the price is a shocking $357 per megawatt.

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The coal industry should have been left in the 19th century where it belongs. Good on Obama on trying to euthanize it.
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Old 05-22-2012, 05:09 PM
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The coal industry should have been left in the 19th century where it belongs. Good on Obama on trying to euthanize it.
I'm glad you apparently don't have to pay your own utility bills.

Or have parents on fixed incomes who must do so.

There is nothing wrong with working to phase it out, but those kind of increases, combined with gas price increases and coming in a recession--they don't reflect much intelligence -- or compassion.
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Old 05-22-2012, 05:12 PM
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Necessarily skyrocket?

Knew it was just a matter of time before the chain email got to you....
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Old 05-22-2012, 05:14 PM
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I'm glad you apparently don't have to pay your own utility bills.

Or have parents on fixed incomes who must do so.

There is nothing wrong with working to phase it out, but those kind of increases, combined with gas price increases and coming in a recession--they don't reflect much intelligence -- or compassion.

Are we drinking the kool-aid without seeing what other beverages are available???

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Republican 'War on Coal' Claims Fight Market Reality - Businessweek

Sometimes, believe it or not, Obama is not the boogey-man.
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Old 05-22-2012, 05:16 PM
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The coal industry should have been left in the 19th century where it belongs. Good on Obama on trying to euthanize it.
Yeah...piss on all those that are dependent on the coal industry for feeding and clothing them.

How many families will end up on welfare without the jobs in the coal industry??
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There is nothing wrong with working to phase it out, but those kind of increases, combined with gas price increases and coming in a recession--they don't reflect much intelligence -- or compassion.
Americans have had 50 years to move away from fossil fuels, yet they and their "leaders" stupidly chose not to. I don't have much compassion for the average American, no. Maybe if their sorry asses freeze in the dark, they'll become more accepting of clean forms of energy like wind, hydro, or nuclear.
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Yeah...piss on all those that are dependent on the coal industry for feeding and clothing them.
They'll find other industries to work in, or not. Energy will still be needed, even if it doesn't come from coal. That's just the way things go. Keeping antiquated and toxic industries around just to give work to people who are too stupid to adapt amounts to ... welfare!

Should we have kept the PCB transformer oil, dioxin-containing pesticide, and asbestos mining industries around for the same reason?
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Old 05-22-2012, 05:24 PM
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They'll find other industries to work in, or not. Energy will still be needed, even if it doesn't come from coal. That's just the way things go. Keeping antiquated and toxic industries around just to give work to people who are too stupid to adapt amounts to ... welfare!

Should we have kept the PCB transformer oil, dioxin-containing pesticide, and asbestos mining industries around for the same reason?
Coal is much cleaner than you think...the technology we have today is better able to handle the pollutants than ever before.
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Coal is much cleaner than you think...the technology we have today is better able to handle the pollutants than ever before.
Clean energy sources are even cleaner. (Unless you're one of the benighted souls who thinks that "CO2 is not a pollutant, only plant food.")
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Old 05-22-2012, 05:49 PM
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Are we drinking the kool-aid without seeing what other beverages are available???

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Republican 'War on Coal' Claims Fight Market Reality - Businessweek

Sometimes, believe it or not, Obama is not the boogey-man.
That's probably the emptiest article I've read in a while.

The market is changing, yes. (Of course the impact of fracking may change the bias for NG...) That still doesn't explain BO's efforts to make it change faster.
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Fools! American Electric Power will have to shut down 25% of its plants. By the way, it is the largest Power Company in the US. I can't wait until you liberals on the east coast start suffering from rolling blackouts. Good luck with your wind and solar.....you're fools to believe that's the answer.

Why should you even care. Most of the coal plants are in the mid-west that you north easterners suck off. Not to mention all of the foreign fuel oil that the businesses and residents use. Maybe all of you who have been spewing all of this hot air can run all of the windmills that aren't allowed on the east coast that messes up you view. Why not close down all of the coal fired plants that produce 75% of all electric, all 102 nukes that produce 20% of all electric and the rest of us can live on the remaining 5% that solar (what a joke) and the bald eagle and golden eagle killing windmills produce. You have such a narrow view of reality.
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Old 05-22-2012, 06:33 PM
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Yeah...piss on all those that are dependent on the coal industry for feeding and clothing them.

How many families will end up on welfare without the jobs in the coal industry??
It's the same bastards that shut down the profitable asbestos industry, causing untold numbers of workers to go get a different job.
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First Obama declared war on marriage, now war on coal. HOW MANY WARS CAN WE FIGHT?! I hear coal has a lot of firepower on their side.

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