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strelnik · #**121** 05-28-2012, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pooka

All of the wind farms I have seen are pretty far from anything. The exception to this would be one in Kansas that is right on I-70 west of Salina.

The U. of Oklahoma and OSU are both teaching classes on wind turbine repair since Oklahoma is an energy producing state. There is a lot of wind that comes sweeping down the plains west of OKC and the power companies are doing all they can to take advantage of it.

In the 1970s I worked for a guy in Oklahoma whose farm was energy-independent. He used wind power and batteries to run his house and farm.

I personally think we can wean ourselves away from a lot of energy costs but two things stop us:

1. The status quo wants to just keep raising prices because it's easier and more profitable. This stops all initiatives like solar farms in the desert.

2. People, being ignorant and uninformed and resistant to change, don't want to do some simple things.

Pooka · #**122** 05-28-2012, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

I'm really curious. I also was put out of work from the oil industry. It was August '83. What would you propose that Reagen should have done, cranked up a bunch of welfare checks for people out of work?

I was working for MORE money two weeks after being laid off. Thank goodness the government did NOT get involved. If they had we would probably be an extra trillion in debt today.

The point, which you missed entirely, is that Reagan did nothing.

But the right wingers are screaming that the energy business is in trouble and Obama is doing nothing.

So either the right wingers were wrong in the 80's or they are wrong now. I understand that you wish to have it both ways, but sometimes you have to take a stand. My stand on this is that just like the oil industry crashed in the 80's and there was no government interference; the coal industry should be allowed to sort itself out without the government getting involved.

Conservatives love to rant about the free market until they decide the free market is not working the way they want, and then they love to rant about how the government should deal with the crisis and then whine that the government has no plan.

The plan is: The free market.

Pooka · #**123** 05-28-2012, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

I've driven all through West Virginia and it's a beautiful state in spite of the Coal industry. Would you rather see them be a big, ugly, crowded, nasty, dirty city full of smoke stacks and traffic? I didn't see near as many turds in WV as I see in most any large city in the US.

The almighty buck shouldn't be the decision maker, but B.O. hasn't heard that evidently. He's wasting our tax money at a record rate in an effort to buy votes for himself and his lefty cronies.

Coal is produced in West Va. Hold that thought.

Oil is produced in the Pecos. Hold that though.

The Pecos is quite a lovely area if you like that sort of thing.

Coal is burned in big cities and causes quite a bit of pollution. Just because something is produced somewhere does not mean the area of production is where it is used.

If you wish to see an area where energy is produced that looks just terrible then visit what used to be known as the Elk Hills Naval Oil Reserve in California. Very little oil is used there but the entire area looks like it came out of a disaster movie.

Air&Road · #**124** 05-28-2012, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Pooka

The point, which you missed entirely, is that Reagan did nothing.

But the right wingers are screaming that the energy business is in trouble and Obama is doing nothing.

So either the right wingers were wrong in the 80's or they are wrong now. I understand that you wish to have it both ways, but sometimes you have to take a stand. My stand on this is that just like the oil industry crashed in the 80's and there was no government interference; the coal industry should be allowed to sort itself out without the government getting involved.

Conservatives love to rant about the free market until they decide the free market is not working the way they want, and then they love to rant about how the government should deal with the crisis and then whine that the government has no plan.

The plan is: The free market.

Okay, I understand your point now. The problem .with you comparison, however is that Reagan did nothing and rightfully so. The government has no business being involved in private industry.

B.O., however, is NOT doing NOTHING! He is involving negatively in the industry by disallowing drilling in the US and US waters. This is what is making us dependent on foreign oil.

I apologize for missing your point the first go round.

spdrun · #**125** 05-28-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

Okay, I understand your point now. The problem .with you comparison, however is that Reagan did nothing and rightfully so. The government has no business being involved in private industry.

Sure it does, if said industry hurts Americans by polluting their planet.

cmbdiesel · #**126** 05-28-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

B.O., however, is NOT doing NOTHING! He is involving negatively in the industry by disallowing drilling in the US and US waters. This is what is making us dependent on foreign oil.

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Total bu115hit.

As far as drilling in US waters, try taking a look around the Gulf sometime. Plenty of that crap going on. Almost back to pre Deepwater Horizon levels...

What I would like, some of these hardcore r's who support the oil companies at every turn to explain to me why our country is a net exporter of oil. Oil procured in this country should stay in this country.

Botnst · #**127** 05-28-2012, 02:22 PM

Gosh, almost back to normal in the Gulf of Mexico. All Obama had to do was quit interfering and this amazing recovery happened. Obama is amazing.

The Clk Man · #**128** 05-28-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Gosh, almost back to normal in the Gulf of Mexico. All Obama had to do was quit interfering and this amazing recovery happened. Obama is amazing.

Maybe he should change his name to "Obazing".

MTI · #**129** 05-28-2012, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Clk Man

Maybe he should change his name to "Obazing".

"Mr. President" works for now.

The Clk Man · #**130** 05-28-2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

"Mr. President" works for now.

And for the next 4 years I suspect.

cmbdiesel · #**131** 05-28-2012, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Gosh, almost back to normal in the Gulf of Mexico. All Obama had to do was quit interfering and this amazing recovery happened. Obama is amazing.

As far as oil rigs in the gulf go, normal sucks, I would think as someone who lives down that-a-way you would realize this.

When is the 'amazing recovery' going to happen from deepwater horizon?

Or are you one of the people touting the 'it already happened' flag of pure BS?

spdrun · #**132** 05-28-2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

"Mr. President" works for now.

Sorry, just because some prick manages to weasel himself into the White House doesn't by default make him worthy of being addressed with respect. This being said, IMHO, Obama is better than most.

flymehomenow · #**133** 05-28-2012, 03:20 PM

Hold on everybody! The middle class is doomed if the "boiler mac" regulations by the Obama EPA are adopted. Currently electricity costs $25 per kilowatt hour. If "boiler max" takes effect, the the price will be $136 per kilowatt hour. That's the future price that we are looking at. 5X's the current price. My electric bill will increase from $200 per month to over $1,000 per month and I live in a state that primarily uses coal for electric power.

Everyone is talking about natural gas. Prices have already begun to rise. Is this the direction that everyone wants the government to go with its current energy policies (laughable)? Now how is that for Husein's comment in 2008 primary when he said that electricity will "primarily skyrocket". This is his solution to his failed "cap & trade" legislation that thankfully failed. Obama must go! With $500 billion in tax increases starting in 2013 and these onerous energy regulations, just tell me, what will be left of the middle class. Wealth distribution to the poor...that soon will be all of us. Forget the middle class.

Look for a Bill that the House is undertaking that will kill the "boiler max" regulation. Even if passed by the House, Reid will probably not let it go to the floor in the Senate. By the way, not all coal is produced in WV & KY. Ever heard Alliance, Nebraska. Coal trains leave the Snake River valley going to the east (fully loaded) every thirty minutes, 24 hours a day. southern Illinois and southern Indiana produces mass amounts of coal for industry & power generation, albeit southern Illinois coal is quite dirty and mainly exported to India & China where they never clean their coal.

Only one new oil refinery has been constructed in the U.S. since 1977. It took 14 years to get the permit to build. Yes, the U.S. is a net producer of oil related products, ie diesel fuel, gasoline, and jet fuel. Keep in mind that Iran only has one refinery that only produces 10% of its needs. Many of these countries that we export to have no refining capacities at all or very little.

tbomachines · #**134** 05-28-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by flymehomenow

Hold on everybody! The middle class is doomed if the "boiler mac" regulations by the Obama EPA are adopted. Currently electricity costs $25 per kilowatt hour. If "boiler max" takes effect, the the price will be $136 per kilowatt hour. That's the future price that we are looking at. 5X's the current price. My electric bill will increase from $200 per month to over $1,000 per month and I live in a state that primarily uses coal for electric power.

Everyone is talking about natural gas. Prices have already begun to rise. Is this the direction that everyone wants the government to go with its current energy policies (laughable)? Now how is that for Husein's comment in 2008 primary when he said that electricity will "primarily skyrocket". This is his solution to his failed "cap & trade" legislation that thankfully failed. Obama must go! With $500 billion in tax increases starting in 2013 and these onerous energy regulations, just tell me, what will be left of the middle class. Wealth distribution to the poor...that soon will be all of us. Forget the middle class.

Look for a Bill that the House is undertaking that will kill the "boiler max" regulation. Even if passed by the House, Reid will probably not let it go to the floor in the Senate. By the way, not all coal is produced in WV & KY. Ever heard Alliance, Nebraska. Coal trains leave the Snake River valley going to the east (fully loaded) every thirty minutes, 24 hours a day. southern Illinois and southern Indiana produces mass amounts of coal for industry & power generation, albeit southern Illinois coal is quite dirty and mainly exported to India & China where they never clean their coal.

Only one new oil refinery has been constructed in the U.S. since 1977. It took 14 years to get the permit to build. Yes, the U.S. is a net producer of oil related products, ie diesel fuel, gasoline, and jet fuel. Keep in mind that Iran only has one refinery that only produces 10% of its needs. Many of these countries that we export to have no refining capacities at all or very little.

Who is Husein?