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Old 05-25-2012, 12:35 AM
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American Chauvinism

Why should anti-war demands focus first and foremost on the war's impact on Americans and their lives-and not on the victems of U.S. aggression:
Pakistani's murdered in drone strikes
Iraqi's rounded up and tortured by U.S. forces
Afghan's seized and terrorized in night raids, and countless others?
Arent their lives every bit as prescious as the lives of those who happen to live in the U.S.?

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Old 05-25-2012, 01:16 AM
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I always thought, chauvinism is reserved for the French
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Old 05-25-2012, 01:33 AM
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"Money for jobs and education! Not war!"

...is a slogan generated by several social movements and is wrong and harmfull-in terms of morality that is actually in the interests of humanity, and in terms of understanding imperialism and war.

The slogan also pushes an idea that the 'Powers that be'-if pressured by enough people- could scale back their military, stop attacking other countrys, and instead use the money for jobs and education etc.

But this is not how the system works............
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Excrement masquerading as a Human Being [dick cheney].

"No, they're just a bunch of Illiterate,Murdering,Raghead Bastards."
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The real problem is

Too Much Profit (And not all of it recognizable as money) is involved in War.
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Too Much Profit (And not all of it recognizable as money) is involved in War.
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Interesting thoughts for a Memorial Day weekend.
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Old 05-25-2012, 03:10 AM
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Excrement masquerading as a Human Being [dick cheney].

"No, they're just a bunch of Illiterate,Murdering,Raghead Bastards."
'Cheney revisited'- Would be presidential hopefull Mitt Romney, who has rubbed elbows with Netanyahu since the early/mid 90's.

A very dangerous combination are these two. If connected, the world has yet to see the savagery they would unleash.
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Interesting thoughts for a Memorial Day weekend.
A speach from the Military Industrial Complex - how does this sound?

"Hey folks, there is not a threat, however we want to start a war with an oil country. Dont worry about your sons and daughters...our soldiers lives, because it is because of them that we stand to make billions of dollars!
Their lives pay for our luxurys. Oh yeah and your freedom too...While we dont want to put our children on the front lines...will you please do it, because we already signed a contract for that oil, and if we dont deliver, we wont make any money...Please support this war".
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Question Well then, what about *THIS* ?

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Why should anti-war demands focus first and foremost on the war's impact on Americans and their lives-and not on the victems of U.S. aggression:
Pakistani's murdered in drone strikes
Iraqi's rounded up and tortured by U.S. forces
Afghan's seized and terrorized in night raids, and countless others?
Arent their lives every bit as prescious as the lives of those who happen to live in the U.S.?
Hmmm.

Extrinsic evidence such as their OWN callous disregard for the lives of their OWN men women and children, as evidenced by car bombings, daily suicide bombers blowing up inncent civiians, etc. seems to suggest that they THEMSELVES, have little, to utterly NO regard for their OWN peoples' lives.


SO - gtiven THAT point of view, why should WE put the value of THEM above OUR own people's lives?

I am NOT saying they are ALL radical, militant, hateful fanatics, but it sure looks to me like they successfully have hijacked the ENTIRE muslim religion to serve their goals. Which at first blush seem to be nothing more than hate violence and and lots of sociopathic bloodshed for its own sake.
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Old 05-25-2012, 05:21 AM
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Hmmm.

Extrinsic evidence such as their OWN callous disregard for the lives of their OWN men women and children, as evidenced by car bombings, daily suicide bombers blowing up inncent civiians, etc. seems to suggest that they THEMSELVES, have little, to utterly NO regard for their OWN peoples' lives.


SO - gtiven THAT point of view, why should WE put the value of THEM above OUR own people's lives?

I am NOT saying they are ALL radical, militant, hateful fanatics, but it sure looks to me like they successfully have hijacked the ENTIRE muslim religion to serve their goals. Which at first blush seem to be nothing more than hate violence and and lots of sociopathic bloodshed for its own sake.
Differance is...you are on their soil. If they want to kill each other let them. Last time I looked, there is not a military prescence from another country located in the U.S. killing the Americans who are killing each other there. Or in Mexico killing the drug cartel members for that matter.

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Pakistan: U.S. attacks Mosque: 10 killed

"The drone fired two missles and hit the villiage Mosque where a number of people were offering Fajr(morning) prayer", local tribal elder Roushan Din told NBC News. source: www.worldnews.msnbc.msn.com

Imagine if this happened in reverse. If Pakistan, or another country, accidentally killed 10 people in a church. Imagine the anger, the hatred, the desire for revenge that it would produce. How would you react if a member of your family was in that church?
It needs to be acknowledged that things such as this do not endear the U.S. to people there.
If I were a terrorist group, I would be approaching those family's to join my operation before the dust settled.
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The wars for domination in the Middle East, Central Asia, and elswhere dont 'interfere' with U.S. capitol-they are absolutely essential to it, and to the U.S.'s plan for global domination.

This system of Global Imperialism headed by the U.S. is the main source of horrors for so many people across the globe. From the ethnic cleansing and slow genocide of the Palestinian people by the U.S. and Isreal, to the mass incarceration and slow genocide of Black people in the U.S.

* John Brennan- 'The Assassination Czar' www.democracynow.org
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Why should anti-war demands focus first and foremost on the war's impact on Americans...?
If one cannot personalize a problem then one will have a difficult time being concerned about a problem.
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Old 05-25-2012, 10:34 AM
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If one cannot personalize a problem then one will have a difficult time being concerned about a problem.
Yes. You are right, and this is very true.

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