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Old 06-06-2012, 04:02 AM
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War drums for Syria?

Article by Ron Paul.


'Syria is not America's war'
Article by Pat Buchanon.


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Old 06-06-2012, 10:39 AM
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Rep. Paul's article says: "...We are on a fast track to war against Syria...."

I seriously doubt that is the case, but then I never thought that we would be stupid enough to invade Iraq. When people suggested that W was preparing to invade Iraq, I figured that it was a bunch of baloney, nobody would be that foolish. Boy, was I wrong about that. So, Paul is right to be worried, but there are some important differences between 2002-2003 and now. Here's a list of those differences off the top of my head:

We don't have a bunch of extra money sitting around like we apparently did back then.

The Iraq debacle is still fresh in our minds, so drumming up political support for military action in Syria will not be easy.

The Syrian situation is complicated, so it would be hard to figure out who our supposed allies are.

Most important, we have Obama/Biden at President and VP, not Bush/Cheney. (Thank God.)

I understand Paul's concern, but I don't think we will be taking military action in Syria anytime soon. That's my story and I am sticking to it, at least until we actually do something stupid over there.
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Old 06-06-2012, 10:54 AM
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Not to mention the fact that Russia is a strong ally of Syria and have a naval base there and the Russian Orthodox Church is a supporter of Assad.
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Old 06-06-2012, 11:23 AM
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Rep. Paul's article says: "...We are on a fast track to war against Syria...."

I seriously doubt that is the case, but then I never thought that we would be stupid enough to invade Iraq. When people suggested that W was preparing to invade Iraq, I figured that it was a bunch of baloney, nobody would be that foolish. Boy, was I wrong about that. So, Paul is right to be worried, but there are some important differences between 2002-2003 and now. Here's a list of those differences off the top of my head:

We don't have a bunch of extra money sitting around like we apparently did back then.

The Iraq debacle is still fresh in our minds, so drumming up political support for military action in Syria will not be easy.

The Syrian situation is complicated, so it would be hard to figure out who our supposed allies are.

Most important, we have Obama/Biden at President and VP, not Bush/Cheney. (Thank God.)

I understand Paul's concern, but I don't think we will be taking military action in Syria anytime soon. That's my story and I am sticking to it, at least until we actually do something stupid over there.
I certainly hope your line of reasoning/logic will hold true.
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Old 06-06-2012, 12:01 PM
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Perhaps freedom has to start somewhere but it seems the history in the region is against them. How many popularly elected heads of state are there in the MS other than Israel? Seems most are Sheiks, Kings or despots who have over stayed their welcome. I am sure there are some exceptions but they seem to be just that.

Sadam got kicked to the curb and there is a civil war between all the tribes. Egypt kicks Mubarak to the curb and we have yet to see what happens there. Libya looses Gadafi and we do not know how that will play out. Iran kicked out the Shah and we got Khomeini and Ahmadinejad.

I feel bad for the children in Syria as they have no say in their future but get to suffer the consequences of the adults stupidity. After seeing several countries go from one bad leader and replace them with another bad one or even worse I am finding it hard to sympathize.

I sure as hell hope we do not get involved in Syria. Russia needs to get off their butts and discipline their child. There is no need to see more US lives lost in an area that the US is not welcome.
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Russia has its own interests in the region.
It also fears a Salafist uprising in Syria, much as it did in Chechnya.
Whether it is a pretext or genuine is hard to say. But the Russians have a responsibility-because they arm the Syrian Regime, and they're the only ones arming them with weapons.
They could cut off that supply' or threaten to cut off the supply, if the Regime refuses to come to the table.

Also, the West and Saudi Arabia and Qatar could threaten to cut off all aid to the opponents if they do not come to the table.

As far as the U.S. blaming Iran for whats going on in Syria.
Iran could also blame the U.S., in the sense that the reason most of the outside powers turned against the Regime-was not because of its human rights violations, which the U.S. tolerated for years when the C.I.A. was rendering suspects to Syria.
The reason why the U.S. doesnt like this Regime anymore is because it has had this close relationship with Iran.
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Article by Ron Paul.


'Syria is not America's war'
Article by Pat Buchanon.


www.informationclearinghouse.info

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We mess with Syria, big brother Ivan may have something to say about it in a rather large way.
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:21 PM
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We mess with Syria, big brother Ivan may have something to say about it in a rather large way.
Heh...I am sure neither U.S, Russia.....or the long shot-China(both of which are allies to Iran FYI) would like to get further tangled up in this ME mess.

But I do believe it is true ,as dmash suggested-Russia does have to take control.
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We mess with Syria, big brother Ivan may have something to say about it in a rather large way.
We'll just let our lil brother take care of them.
Ivan didn't bother with Israel when the IAF flattened Syria's nuc reactor construction site in the desert in 2007.
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Heh...I am sure neither U.S, Russia.....or the long shot-China(both of which are allies to Iran FYI) would like to get further tangled up in this ME mess.

But I do believe it is true ,as dmash suggested-Russia does have to take control.

Putin will trip all over his self getting up on the stage.
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We'll just let our lil brother take care of them.
Ivan didn't bother with Israel when the IAF flattened Syria's nuc reactor construction site in the desert in 2007.
True, but it wasn't US attacking a Russian allie either.
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Most important, we have Obama/Biden at President and VP, not Bush/Cheney. (Thank God.)...
Oh yeah ... a guy who will engage in war without bothering congress. Yeah, that's an improvement.
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Oh yeah ... a guy who will engage in war without bothering congress. Yeah, that's an improvement.
What war was that?

If its the activities in Lybia last year, there was a Federal suit brought by members of Congress that was subsequently dismissed. Was there some other war you're referring to?
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Old 06-06-2012, 09:08 PM
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What war was that?

If its the activities in Lybia last year, there was a Federal suit brought by members of Congress that was subsequently dismissed. Was there some other war you're referring to?
Libya, Yemen, Pakistan. Why bother congress? It's so messy.
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Libya, Yemen, Pakistan. Why bother congress? It's so messy.
Libya, we discussed. Are we at war with the governments of Yemen or Pakistan? Seemingly there is no outcry from either to the Security Council of the UN or a request to leave or non-acceptance of aid.

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