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Old 08-24-2012, 10:46 AM
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Lance Armstrong gives up fight, will be stripped of 7 Tour win titles

Lance says he has had enough. Yesterday he announced he will no longer fight the USADA's allegations that he doped, and USADA announced in response that Lance is now banned for life from cycling and will be stripped of his seven Tour de France wins.

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Old 08-24-2012, 10:51 AM
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I heard about this too, im on Lance's side. According to his statement, the USADA has no legal authority to strip him of international titles won in foreign countries.

The guy has been tested hundreds of times and came up clean. Sounds like a vendetta to me honestly.

What amazes me is the incredible amount of articles that call him "shamed" or "disgraced". As if deciding not to argue constantly with an organization which does not have the authority it claims, constitutes an admission of guilt.
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It all started when the French were in total disbelief that one of us inbred Americans could be such an outstanding athlete.

It kind of flies in the face of the idea of innocent before proven guilty. Where's the proof?
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I'm with him too. He may be a jerk on a personal level, but he's done amazing things to raise the visibility of cycling as a sport, not to mention all the good he's done for cancer research.

USADA sucks, and I don't blame him at all for no longer wanting to deal with them. And as far as I'm concerned, he'll always be the guy who won the Tour seven times, regardless of what USADA says.
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Old 08-24-2012, 10:58 AM
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It all started when the French were in total disbelief that one of us inbred Americans could be such an outstanding athlete.

It kind of flies in the face of the idea of innocent before proven guilty. Where's the proof?
Supposedly, USADA would have presented their "evidence" had Lance chosen to go to arbitration. He didn't, so USADA doesn't have to show us a thing.
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I stand with Lance, this is a vendetta
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:24 PM
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I agree. There is no evidence. He has passed (ha ha) every test.
We all need to take a moment. Look at the diversity here who agree that Lance is the victim of a vendetta.
How often do we see these people (us) in agreement on anything?
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:38 PM
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I heard about this too, im on Lance's side. According to his statement, the USADA has no legal authority to strip him of international titles won in foreign countries.

The guy has been tested hundreds of times and came up clean. Sounds like a vendetta to me honestly.

What amazes me is the incredible amount of articles that call him "shamed" or "disgraced". As if deciding not to argue constantly with an organization which does not have the authority it claims, constitutes an admission of guilt.
And they're publicly stating (USADA) that it is an admission of guilt and calling him a drug cheat.

Not only that, they're claiming they can go after any cash awards he received as well.

After reading the article, sounds more like the guy running USADA is trying to make a name for himself by being able to say "I took down Lance Armstrong, so don't screw with me".

This is all about sour grapes, revenge, money, and government agency politics - nothing more. They are literally attempting to pick winners and losers in this instance.
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I heard about this too, im on Lance's side. According to his statement, the USADA has no legal authority to strip him of international titles won in foreign countries.

The guy has been tested hundreds of times and came up clean. Sounds like a vendetta to me honestly.

What amazes me is the incredible amount of articles that call him "shamed" or "disgraced". As if deciding not to argue constantly with an organization which does not have the authority it claims, constitutes an admission of guilt.

After transfusions it is said you come up clean.
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After transfusions it is said you come up clean.
I heard that too about the blood doping, since all you are doing is bumping the oxygen level of the blood, and dumping it back in the body. but still, it seems to me that at this point, they should have cast iron evidence of doping or not. Either someone saw him doing it, and theres irrefutable evidence, or there isnt.

For the USADA, its guilty until proven not guilty at this time, but we'll be back, so don't get comfortable.
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I heard that too about the blood doping, since all you are doing is bumping the oxygen level of the blood, and dumping it back in the body. but still, it seems to me that at this point, they should have cast iron evidence of doping or not. Either someone saw him doing it, and theres irrefutable evidence, or there isnt.

For the USADA, its guilty until proven not guilty at this time, but we'll be back, so don't get comfortable.
Just like the legal system, guilty until proven innocent.
You could take enhancers and after they were metabolized by the liver come up clean with a transfusion I'd bet.

It has to do with the fact Lance can be ruined financially to prove his innocence. Win win for the crybabies.
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It has to do with the fact Lance can be ruined financially to prove his innocence. Win win for the crybabies.
Exactly. Even the judge that dismissed Lance's suit attempting to block the USADA, openly questioned USADA's motives in going after someone that was already retired, and flatly stated that this looked to be about nothing more than politics, money, and bureaucratic BS.
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I believe they are claiming they retested old samples and found it tested positive for substances they had previously not tested for... not to mention old teammates ratting on him. If this is the case, he cheated... and is facing the consequences.. big deal.
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Watched part of a spot on the news about this - caught the last part where they interviewed someone from USADA, with a big smug smile on his face, and what he said I thinks sums up exactly why they were still hounding him up to 15 years after the fact -

"...Unfortunately, it takes successfully prosecuting high profile cases like this, to get everyone else to take drug cheating seriously..."

The more and more I see and hear of this, it just screams "witch hunt".

From the same guy in the same interview - "It's always a sad day when one of the heros of the sports world is proven to be a drug cheat".

So where's the proof? If you're going to publicly libel someone, you'd better have damn ironclad evidence that will hold up in a court of law.

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