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MTI · #1 08-24-2012, 07:35 PM

Let the Appeals Begin!

The scorecard so far:

Jury finds Samsung infringement of Apple utility, design patents for some (though not all) products.
Jury finds willful infringement on 5 of 6 patents.
Jury upholds Apple utility, design patents.
Jury upholds Apple trade dress '983.
Jury finds Samsung "diluted" Apple's registered iPhone, iPhone 3 and "Combination iPhone" trade dress on some products, not on others.
No Apple infringement of Samsung utility patents.
Jury found Samsung violated antitrust law by monopolizing markets related to the UMTS standard.
Damages owed by Samsung: $1.05 billion.

spdrun · #2 08-24-2012, 07:46 PM

Bet Jobs is turning over in his grave, now that the company he founded has become a patent troll.

jplinville · #3 08-24-2012, 08:34 PM

With Samsung being a rather large supplier of processors for the whole line of Apple products, I'm sure we'll see a major price hike in the near future for Apple's devises.

aklim · #4 08-25-2012, 08:48 AM

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For Samsung, it was a series of damning internal documents, many of which showed that the company looked to Apple's devices for cues when designing its software icons and general features. One such internal report contained numerous side-by-side slides where the company put a pre-release version of its initial Galaxy smartphone next to the iPhone, and offered suggestions on how to make it more similar.

Question. Why do so many companies make the mistake of having something in writing and not put it oral? Don't they realize from past experience that you can subpoena these things be they on paper or electronic format?

Hatterasguy · #5 08-25-2012, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Question. Why do so many companies make the mistake of having something in writing and not put it oral? Don't they realize from past experience that you can subpoena these things be they on paper or electronic format?

Yep, think they would figure it out eventually...

elchivito · #6 08-25-2012, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

With Samsung being a rather large supplier of processors for the whole line of Apple products, I'm sure we'll see a major price hike in the near future for Apple's devises.

I doubt it. Samsung makes the A5 processor under contract for Apple in Austin, Tejas. The processor is Apple's design, not Samsung's. The A5 is used in iPads and iPhones, but not in computers or iPods. There is no reason that Apple couldn't renegotiate production of the A5 with someone else if they thought it necessary. Austin is full of high tech plants that'd jump at the chance to grab that chip contract from Samsung.
Samsung sunk nearly 4 billion into building that plant so they could produce the chips for Apple. A price gouge for payback seems pretty short-sighted. They'll just string it out in court for years and finally settle for a few hundred million in fines.

aklim · #7 08-25-2012, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

Yep, think they would figure it out eventually...

Responsibility for the Holocaust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Hitler
Most historians take the view that Hitler was the opposite of a pragmatist: his overriding obsession was hatred of the Jews, and he showed on a number of occasions that he was willing to risk losing the war to achieve their destruction.
There is no "smoking gun" in the form of a document which shows Hitler ordering the Final Solution. Hitler did not have a bureaucratic mind and many of his most important instructions were given orally.[16]
There is ample documentary evidence that Hitler authorized the mass deportations of the Jews to the east beginning in October 1941. He cannot have imagined that these hundreds of thousands of Jews would be housed, clothed and fed by the authorities of the Government-General, and in fact Hans Frank frequently complained that he could not cope with the influx. Even Holocaust denier David Irving concedes that after Heinrich Himmler's speech at Posen in October 1943, Hitler must have known what was happening.
Historian Paul Johnson writes that some writers, such as Irving, have claimed that because there were no written orders, "the Final Solution was Himmler's work and [...] Hitler not only did not order it but did not even know it was happening." Johnson states, however, that "this argument will not stand up. The administration of the Third Reich was often chaotic but its central principle was clear enough: all key decisions emanated from Hitler."[16] Excerpts from the diary of Joseph Goebbels and Rudolf Höss also indicate that Hitler gave oral instructions for the extermination of the Jews.

Hell, even back then, Hitler figured it out so how complicated is that?

cullennewsom · #8 08-25-2012, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Question. Why do so many companies make the mistake of having something in writing and not put it oral? Don't they realize from past experience that you can subpoena these things be they on paper or electronic format?

Or they could do their own homework.

cullennewsom · #9 08-25-2012, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

With Samsung being a rather large supplier of processors for the whole line of Apple products, I'm sure we'll see a major price hike in the near future for Apple's devises.

It is revenue neutral for Apple customers. Apple gets a billion dollar credit. Samsung raises an extra billion to cover the settlement. Of course, the lawyers get a small piece of that too. But, in reality it isn't going to be so simple. This settlement will disrupt all competitors in the area. Apple will get to keep their premium pricing, while reducing competition.

MTI · #10 08-25-2012, 11:20 AM

I would be surprised if the legal team wasn't billing hourly, I don't think this was a contingent fee case.

aklim · #11 08-25-2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cullennewsom

Or they could do their own homework.

Yeah and everyone could behave and we all hold hands and sing "Kumbaya". Like that will happen. You and I would be having gay sex before that can happen.

That is why I am trying to ask. If you are going to do naughty things, why put it in black and white or electronic format? Why not give it orally and in secret so you could deny it or at least say "Well, you misquoted me."?

MTI · #12 08-25-2012, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Yeah and everyone could behave and we all hold hands and sing "Kumbaya". Like that will happen. You and I would be having gay sex before that can happen.

That is why I am trying to ask. If you are going to do naughty things, why put it in black and white or electronic format? Why not give it orally and in secret so you could deny it or at least say "Well, you misquoted me."?

Your questions merely assumes that the truly "bad" stuff is also written down or memorialized.

MTI · #13 08-25-2012, 02:16 PM

Meanwhile, Back In Samsung's Hometown . . .

However, in a split decision on patents, the panel also said Samsung violated Apple technology behind the bounce-back feature when scrolling on touch screens, and ordered both sides to pay limited damages.

The Seoul Central District Court ruling called for a partial ban on sales of products including iPads and smartphones from both companies, though the verdict did not affect the latest-generation phones — Apple's iPhone 4S or Samsung's Galaxy S3.

Secrets Disclosed in Pretrial Discovery

WHERE IPHONES AND IPADS COME FROM When Apple designs new products, about 15 industrial designers typically huddle around a kitchen table inside the locked-down design studio at Apple’s headquarters.

NUDE IPHONES ARE IN THE MINORITY According to an internal consumer survey by Apple presented as evidence during the trial, 78 percent of iPhone users cover their phones with cases.

MICROSOFT AND APPLE ARE BUDDIES Apple doesn’t go after all of its rivals in court to accuse them of stepping on its patents. An Apple executive testified that the company had licensed some of its patents to Microsoft, with the proviso that Microsoft cannot copy Apple’s products.

SMALLER IPADS AREN’T ANATHEMA TO APPLE Steven P. Jobs, the Apple chief who died last year, publicly scorned smaller tablets with seven-inch screens, saying they weren’t usable. But Eddy Cue, an Apple senior vice president, said that Mr. Jobs was “very receptive” to the idea of making a seven-inch iPad, according to an e-mail Mr. Cue sent to colleagues in early 2011.

APPLE MAKES FAR MORE MONEY Both Samsung and Apple revealed more about their device sales than they normally do. Samsung revealed it took in $460 in revenue on each tablet, on average, while Apple said it did better: $558.

SAMSUNG WANTS TO MEASURE UP A 132-page evaluation made by Samsung comparing its Galaxy phone with the iPhone revealed in excruciating detail that Samsung had serious iPhone envy. The lines between the numbers in the Galaxy’s calculator were too thick, for example.