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Did she really say this or is the instructor wrong?

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Old 10-10-2012, 02:40 PM
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You mean you just now got this forward? Wow. I got it months ago, it started circulating in it's present form in the spring.
There is no instructor to be wrong. The one the forward claimed had lip-read the first lady doesn't exist and the River School doesn't teach lip reading.

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Old 10-10-2012, 03:13 PM
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Hmmm ... She was only proud to be an American for the first time in her entire adult life when her husband became president. So, looking at her lips and what she could have said would not surprise me. We all know how terribly horrible Michelle's life was, that being a Harvard Law School Grad, growing up with Jesse Jackson's kid, et cet. The hardships must have been simply horrible, so I see why she could be mad, angry, and down right resentful of the USA. Same deal for B.O. a/k/a B.S. Just a horrible upbringing. And, BTW -- lip reading is not an exact science so it is plausible for another "expert" to say dear michelle did not say ... "all this over a damm flag" But, it sure looks that way to me, but I'm no expert.
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Hmmm ... She was only proud to be an American for the first time in her entire adult life when her husband became president. So, looking at her lips and what she could have said would not surprise me. We all know how terribly horrible Michelle's life was, that being a Harvard Law School Grad, growing up with Jesse Jackson's kid, et cet. The hardships must have been simply horrible, so I see why she could be mad, angry, and down right resentful of the USA. Same deal for B.O. a/k/a B.S. Just a horrible upbringing. And, BTW -- lip reading is not an exact science so it is plausible for another "expert" to say dear michelle did not say ... "all this over a damm flag" But, it sure looks that way to me, but I'm no expert.
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Authors of chain emails love to question President Barack Obama's patriotism.

They've said he refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance (False), that he "turns his back to the flag and slouches" (False), and that he complained that U.S. troops were whining about going to war. (Pants on Fire).

(We are not including the claim that Obama fits the biblical description of the Antichrist, since it's theoretically possible that you could be the Antichrist and still be patriotic.)

We've also noticed a sub-genre of emails that attack First Lady Michelle Obama for living a life of luxury, such as the claim that she ordered $400 worth of caviar and lobster at the Waldorf Astoria in New York (Pants on Fire).

Now comes a new twist on a claim that sprouted a year ago in the conservative blogosphere: the suggestion that during 9/11 memorial ceremonies, the first lady could be seen saying to her husband, "All this for a damn flag."

The controversy has been fueled by video that shows the first lady saying something to her husband. Because the comments are not audible, critics of the Obamas have speculated about her words. On YouTube, a video that has been seen 1.4 million times slows the exchange and declares the first lady said, "All this for a damn flag" and that the president replied "Hm … mn …. nnnn" and gave a "nod of disapproval."

The Blaze, Glenn Beck's website, invited readers to do their own lip reading and speculate what they thought Michelle Obama was saying. The results of the 38,706 votes:

"All this for a damn flag." 49 percent "Look at how they fold that damn flag." 5 "Look at how they fold that flag." 22 Something else, but I'm not sure. 7 Come on, there's no way to tell. 17

The new email, which emerged about one month ago, indicates Michelle Obama's words have been confirmed by "a lip-reading instructor at the River School, a Washington school for the deaf."

Here's the full email (it has two subject lines because senders added a second line when forwarding it)::

Subject: Obama's wife - Caught in the Act

You be the judge,
How much more disrespect can there be?

Subject: Obama's wife as seen by deaf people

READING HER LIPS !!
Obama and his wife were attending The 9/11 Memorial Ceremony and watched as the Color Guard folded the flag into a triangular shape, according to custom.

A video camera caught the two from the sidelines. Obama's wife leaned over and said to him, "All this for a damn flag?" Obama turned to her, smiled smugly and nodded his head in agreement.

How do we know what was said? The video was presented for translation to a lip reading instructor at The River School, a Washington D.C. school for the deaf.

The video is shown at normal speed, 3/4 speed, and 1/2 speed with no banners obstructing her lips.

The current Commander and Chief and the First Lady proud of being American? You be the judge...


Like many chain emails, this one has evolved since earlier versions. The detail about the lip-reading instructor at the River School was added recently, presumably to give the email more credibility.

But that credibility crumbled when we spoke with Nancy Mellon, director of the River School. She described it as a Washington school that serves a wide range of children from 18 months to third grade. It is known for its strong program for hearing-impaired children, but they account for just 15 percent of the students.

More importantly, the River School doesn't teach lip-reading, Mellon said, and no one from the faculty has provided any interpretation of the video.

"It's definitely not us," she said. "We would never try to do anything like this."


The school has gotten so many inquiries about the chain email that last week it posted this message on its website:

Please be advised that The River School was not involved in any translation services for a recent video clip currently circulating on the Internet.
So what did she really say? The consensus on All Deaf, a website for people who are hearing impaired, was that she said, "It's amazing how they fold that flag." (However, one person speculated that she told her husband, "This is the third time this week you left your underwear on the floor... I ain't your mother.")
Our ruling

Like many chain emails we've checked, this one is so flimsy that it needs to fabricate its credibility. Critics of Obama are free to speculate about the first lady's words, but the "damn flag" translation was not done by anyone at the River School.

So we give this one a nod of disapproval -- and a Pants on Fire!
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I love this redneck crap!
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Hmmm ... She was only proud to be an American for the first time in her entire adult life when her husband became president. So, looking at her lips and what she could have said would not surprise me. We all know how terribly horrible Michelle's life was, that being a Harvard Law School Grad, growing up with Jesse Jackson's kid, et cet. The hardships must have been simply horrible, so I see why she could be mad, angry, and down right resentful of the USA. Same deal for B.O. a/k/a B.S. Just a horrible upbringing. And, BTW -- lip reading is not an exact science so it is plausible for another "expert" to say dear michelle did not say ... "all this over a damm flag" But, it sure looks that way to me, but I'm no expert.
Yep, she's no Ann Romney...
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I love this redneck crap!

we should really be worrying about her satanic hand instead. Here is incontrovertible proof of satan in the white house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=KuoL8wUZjiA&feature=fvwp


clearly, he is the antichrist. This guy makes a compelling case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=Ns0xDdQ43aQ&NR=1
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And, I guess her pride to be an American was totally misunderstood when she said or said words to the effect that for the first time in her entire adult life she's proud to be an American because hubby became president ? ... I am sure I left out something which somehow totally changes the meaning of her spoken, audible words. And, to answer your basic question or to respond to your basic premise .. Yes, I doubt the first lady's patriotism and excluding our consitutional scholar of a president oath taking at the time he became president, I would doubt his also but for the oath he made publically. Let's see what happens in the next few weeks. I am sure more rubbish will hit the airways as the election grows closer. We all know that B.O. a/k/a B.S. was sleeping in the pews when his "Rev" Wright gave such patriotic sermons on his mount ...
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And, I guess her pride to be an American was totally misunderstood when she said or said words to the effect that for the first time in her entire adult life she's proud to be an American because hubby became president ? ... I am sure I left out something which somehow totally changes the meaning of her spoken, audible words. And, to answer your basic question or to respond to your basic premise .. Yes, I doubt the first lady's patriotism and excluding our consitutional scholar of a president oath taking at the time he became president, I would doubt his also but for the oath he made publically. Let's see what happens in the next few weeks. I am sure more rubbish will hit the airways as the election grows closer. We all know that B.O. a/k/a B.S. was sleeping in the pews when his "Rev" Wright gave such patriotic sermons on his mount ...
I'm going to go way out on a limb and guess that you're a Birther.
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here is how these forwarded emails begin-

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No, not really. I could care less about that issue at this juncture. I think B.O. a/k/a B.S. made more out of this issue than all those on the right who clutch their Bibles and guns-- he did this inadvertantly of course. I think those who think he's not an American will never change their minds and B.O. a/k/a B.S. has a lot to do with that mindset. For those who never believed the birther issue, they will maintain that view even when the missing piece of a fragment of paper surfaces that proves something conclusively. The folks in the middle are just there. Heck, I started a thread that went on forever just to get all the apologist for B.O. a/k/a B.S. to admit that he really did use the name Barry Sotorro (sic) and that was like pulling teeth. So, no limbs for you. LOL.
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Did she really say this or is the instructor wrong?
I bet dear michelle will have double the pride in the USA and double the pride in being an American if B.O. a/k/a B.S. gets re-elected. If he loses, then that is because of what .... I cannot wait to see that story in the event Mitt R. wins. I am sure their "Rev" Wright will have a sermon of all sermons denouncing the USA and they will be in the front row pew praying for a better America I bet ...
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Wow the left came out with force and said very little about the real question: did she say it? I can't read lips like deaf person but I do read body language like most others. Everyone can and does read body language in addition to lip movement and hearing: that's communication. The question is not how many "wacky" things are said, it is what did she say if not what it looks like?

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