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Old 11-01-2012, 06:49 PM
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My XP machines run great. With touchscreens no less.

Even got an old toughbook still running 98.....

Win 7 seems pretty cool, it's my new standard, and at this point, I see no reason to jump on Win 8

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Old 11-01-2012, 06:50 PM
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lol windows xp. You guys must be masochistic and love those blue screens.
I still have an XP laptop (as well as an OS X laptop running Win 7 in VirtualBox). The XP laptop hasn't BSOD'ed in years. Literally.
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Old 11-01-2012, 06:56 PM
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I am far from sold on Windows 8, but there's little excuse to not be on Win7 at this point. The longer you wait to upgrade the more painful it is. Clinging to XP is just sad...
For basic office stuff, an XP PC works just fine. Use 'em till they drop and need replacement, then swap them out. Keep in mind that until 2009, XP was the best Windows OS available (Vista was pretty awful). Plenty of companies keep computers for 5-6 years, yet it doesn't make sense to spend the money upgrading OS on older devices.
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Old 11-01-2012, 06:59 PM
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The issue with making something like windows open source is that it then becomes the product of said developer who makes changes to it. Microsoft could not really then be held responsible to support it, and the burden falls to in-house IT and developers, which can lead to knowledge silo's....and that is never good. Also companies buying a closed-source OS know what they are getting, and the support that comes with it or that is available if needed. If everyone was running different distributions and mods of the same OS, interoperability on a large scale and software support on a large scale would become an intense nightmare. Its bad enough as it is!
Support is typically in-house and/or outsourced as it is. Larger companies tend to use a lot of custom or modified software that's supported by in-house staff. Open-source doesn't mean there wouldn't be curated distributions so people obtaining them would know what they're getting.
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:02 PM
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Since my office migrated to W7 I haven't had a system failure. Used to have those 1-2 times per month with XP. Been running W7 for about 6 mos or so.

It seems to load a little faster. Because I am able to address huge RAM I upgraded to 24 G making GIS analysis screaming fast. I like it a lot.

But I'd rather have a Mac.
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:23 PM
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IMHO, the BEST software pricing system was back in the days of Digital Equipment Corporation(DEC) with their VMS operating system and family of applications. They sold the Media and Documentation separately from the licensing and had bundled pricing for the licenses. VMS and DEC, however, started dying in the early nineties.
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DEC also had one of the most exciting processor architectures seen in a long time -- the Alpha -- which was unfortunately bought by Compaq, then by HP, and then killed.
DEC was doing crazy stuff with VAX workstations and VMS, clustering them together for compiling and running other jobs, way back in the 80's.

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You mean it was better than a PDP 8

I cut my teeth on a PDP8 in 1974 and it was nearing the end of its life cycle at that point. It was a 12 bit machine with 4K of core memory and a HUMONGOUS 6MB drive. We used a teletype as a terminal and had to boot it by toggling in the bootstrap routine one instruction at a time. It also had a 144 instruction page structure that was very limiting. I was doing peripheral hardware designs, but had to put together test routines in the machine code.

There's probably more processing power in a toaster these days.

The Alpha was coming in as Bill Gates was in the process of taking over the world.
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Win 7 seems pretty cool, it's my new standard, and at this point, I see no reason to jump on Win 8
Did any of your old application software fail to run on Win 7? Can you use old versions of Outlook and Office without any issues?
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Did any of your old application software fail to run on Win 7? Can you use old versions of Outlook and Office without any issues?
I've seen Office 2003 running on W7. Not sure why you'd want to go older than that.
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I've seen Office 2003 running on W7. Not sure why you'd want to go older than that.
I have Outlook and Office 2007. Hopefully they'll run when I have to make the switch.
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:18 PM
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I have Outlook and Office 2007. Hopefully they'll run when I have to make the switch.
Definitely.
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:18 AM
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I'm gonna give W8 a test in VMware Player for a while, it surely isn't getting the applaud that W7 got a few years back. Remains strange why MS designed their new flagship product for touch panel/tablet applications: would think that keyboard interfacing systems are their biggest market.
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Old 11-02-2012, 08:09 AM
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I'm gonna give W8 a test in VMware Player for a while, it surely isn't getting the applaud that W7 got a few years back. Remains strange why MS designed their new flagship product for touch panel/tablet applications: would think that keyboard interfacing systems are their biggest market.
I think for W8 to successful in the business world they will have to get some type of option that removes the Metro UI. Not that the Metro UI is bad or anything. I think its pretty slick. I've used it on a tablet (bare min system requirements) and its nice and smooth. I think the bulk of users are accustomed to the standard desktop interface. Retraining people to use Metro as default will take time and money and companies will be less inclined to do so. Perhaps in W9 there will be such an option.

I also have to laugh a bit. We're the same bunch driving 20 year old cars, refusing to upgrade for the same reasons that have been said for XP->7->8.

I've got a project in the pipeline here for a friend of mine that involves some software dev with the MetroUI as the target interface and, as I follow it, the only way to develop a Metro application is to install Windows 8. So sometime in the near future my one machine at home will become a Windows 8 machine.
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Old 11-02-2012, 08:32 AM
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lol windows xp. You guys must be masochistic and love those blue screens.

The "blue screen of death" was common in NT and even Windows 2000. Even with all the wringing out of beta code on very early XP versions we did, I can't remember getting the blue screen of death, although it might have happened once or twice. XP is where it seemed to come together in the NT type world.
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Old 11-02-2012, 08:40 AM
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The "blue screen of death" was common in NT and even Windows 2000. Even with all the wringing out of beta code on very early XP versions we did, I can't remember getting the blue screen of death, although it might have happened once or twice. XP is where it seemed to come together in the NT type world.
Agree.

Only NT could make me like XP. Only 3.1 could make me appreciate the elegance of NT.
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Old 11-02-2012, 09:29 AM
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You're an individual who makes money off companies by constantly getting them to upgrade for no good reason.............now that, my boy, is sad.
Bingo bingissimo, there you've almost described the Microsoft business model: a company that makes money off individuals by constantly getting them to upgrade for no good reason.

Windows has been a consumer financed turd polishing exercise from the get go, enabled by Microsoft's monopoly allowed by the government except for when the latter pretended to sue MS for antitrust violations during that phony show trial episode. The Europeans have caught on to Gates' games and are slapping him with real fines in the billions and migrating their government IT off of Bill's bamboozle bonanza.

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