Just got my statement from DeWitt petroleum - they're charging me $6.39/gal or something close to that. It's insane, as the last time I filled up bio it was around $4.55/gal or something.

I understand the concept of supply/demand, but this almost seems as though they intentionally want fleets to stick to dino.

Why would the price increase exponentially?

Don't know, but at the station by my house, bio is $.50 more expensive than dyno.

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Any relation to the price of veg oil?

Well this time botnst its Obama's fault !!!

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As I recall the earlier price of $4.59ish was around 50cents more than dino. Right now it's around $2 more than dino.

I'm not sure about the correlation to prices of veggio oil, but can't I imagine bio prices being on a 1:1 correlation to new veggie, since bio is produced from recycled veggie.

Just remember when you assume some thing like that, you make an a$$ out of U & Me.
You may find that large scale bio uses any veg oil it can. both recyc & fresh.

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1980 300D now parts car 800k miles
1984 300D 500k miles
1987 250td 160k miles English import
2001 jeep turbo diesel 130k miles
1998 jeep tdi ~ followed me home. Needs a turbo.
1968 Ford F750 truck. 6-354 diesel conversion.
Other toys ~J.D.,Cat & GM ~ mainly earth moving

Recycled veggie? Most biodiesel providers use corn or soy for their stock. Homebrew and small scale suppliers may be stopping by the local fish and chip shop, McDonalds and Krispy Kreme, but not the big boys.

Not sure if you can even get biodiesel in North Texas any more. As far as I know, the producers all went TU and the retailers all folded up.

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I'd run it in my commercial trucks but can't get it even reasonably local. The state of CT taxes it at $0.55/gal. just like dino so there's no real incentive to use it other than for philosophical reasons.

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That doesn't make much business sense...I mean at this price point no one would opt for bio. Assuming (no pun) you're accurate and the refiners are using new veggie, wouldn't that be a waste of refining capacity if their break-even price is $2+ more than dino?

In that case, I imagine it would be more profitable to cease bio production and just stick with dino, since there is a ready market for dino.

Because they can. Ask yourself this. Why on earth would you pay for such an increase? Is the fuel performing that much better? If so, show me the numbers. If not, the simple reason is that you want it to fill some emotional void. That extra is what you pay for it. As long as there are people that are willing to pay more, they will sell it for more. After all, someone has to pay for the "no blood for oil" sticker.

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Ah, but Sir, you forget that bio has the emotional appeal which some fools are willing to pay much more for. As has been said,

1. A fool and his money are soon parted.

2. A sucker is born every day.

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06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow
04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow

Personally, I like to run bio of some blend as I find the old 617 runs smoother, or at least sounds so. However, I had no way of knowing the price of bio at the pump since they don't advertise it (probably for this reason). So now I know...

Without getting into the physiological reasons for why/why not people prefer bio, I was hoping someone had an explanation for the sudden price hike (like some new tax or whatever).

So I guess this fool is $60+ bucks shorter...

Different fuel changes the combustion characteristics so the sound is different. Question is whether it translates to anything more than that that is quantifiable. IOW, for $2 more, will you give me that much more mileage or will you extend my engine life by that much more? If not, the numbers don't add up.

Of course not. I surely don't want you to think of that at the pump to avoid the sticker shock.

Could be a test. See if you will still purchase it at this price and see if you bite. So I hike up the price but if you think it is worth it, you buy it. At the end of it, I see if I make less profit or not based on sales. Maybe I sell less volume but if I still make more profit, why not?

I'm afraid so. I asked the bio shop in Madison why I would be willing to buy into their membership for $150 for the privilege of paying 75 cents more per gallon than dino. They said that if their sales fell and they wanted to be more competitive, they would drop the price but at this time, they don't feel they have to or words to that effect. Bottom line is "I have a fool for a client so I don't have to be competitive till he wises up and stops reading the slogans.".

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99 E300 Turbodiesel
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06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow
04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow

According to their website Loves still sells bio at their truck stops in Dallas, Denton and Anna.

Anna, which is north of Dallas on US 75, once sold BioWillie and perhaps they still do. I fueled up there in the old 300D a few times and found it to burn as good as any other diesel.

I don't live in the area, but I do pass through now and then.

And I should imagine you can purchase BioWillie at Willie's Truck Stop in Carl's Corner, TX.