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Originally Posted by Dubyagee (Post 3074686)

Gun Control Tramples On The Certain Virtues Of A Heavily Armed Citizenry - Forbes

The Second Amendment was designed to ensure that individuals retained the right and means to defend themselves against any illegitimate attempt to do them harm, be it an attempt by a private outlaw or government agents violating their trust under the color of law. The Second Amendment was meant to guarantee individuals the right to protect themselves against government as much as against private bad guys and gangs.

That is why the gun grabbers’ assault on firearms is not only, not even primarily an attack merely on the means of self-defense but more fundamentally, the gun grabbers are engaged in a blatant attack on the very legitimacy of self-defense itself. It’s not really about the guns; it is about the government’s ability to demand submission of the people. Gun control is part and parcel of the ongoing collectivist effort to eviscerate individual sovereignty and replace it with dependence upon and allegiance to the state.

Well spoken!

What bothers Me is that everyone who fills a Political office swears to uphold the US Continuation. I don't trust someone who ignores their oath of office and allows the US Constitutions be eroded.

When I was a Kid you could order Guns and Ammunition and have the Post Office deliver them your front Door. So there was easy access to Fire Arms and a few restrictions. So I can't believe that simple access and position of Fire Arms is the cause of Gun Violence.
It is the large number of irresponsible People in our Society that is causing the Violence no matter the Weapon.

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Originally Posted by Diesel911 (Post 3074848)

I was bored and decided to look into this thread.

I have no idea what the worked Militia means to you. The Constitution allows for I believe is a well regulated Militia.

To know what Militia meant back at the time the Constitution was written we need to look up what the Historical example of a Militia was or find some definition of the term that was written back at that time.

My understanding if it was that if you lived in some Town or Village every Male between certain ages was subject to being called up as a Militia and to provide their own Rifle and other equipment.

They were also expected to do some minimal Military type drills.

Militia certainly does not have the negative connotation that I am getting from this post.
Back to the subject; I am not sure what the NRA had in mind but personally I think the Police or hired Security Guards should do the Gun toting job.
I did think over the volunteer idea and decided that if People wanted to be un-armed Volunteers the more Eyes and Ears the better.

You seem to have missed several recent Supreme Court decisions in which the 2nd Amendment was recognized as protecting an individual's right to own a weapon, not a militia.
In 2008 and 2010, the Supreme Court issued two landmark decisions concerning the Second Amendment. In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia[1][2] and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. In dicta, the Court listed many longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession as being consistent with the Second Amendment.[3] In McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment limits state and local governments to the same extent that it limits the federal government.[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Also, the militia of time gone by were much like what we now fear so dreadfully out in the woods in Idaho or Michigan. I doubt that's really where you want this to go, is it?

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Originally Posted by Skippy (Post 3074460)

Not always. The mass murders are generally mental illness related, but in "normal" murders, arguments, drug deals, and robberies are popular circumstances. Read here:

FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 10

I agree with you about murder being murder, however you don't have to be mentally ill to commit it.

Given the number of crazy people I encounter on a regular basis, I think better access to mental health resources would probably be a good thing. And everyone knows no good can come from sporks.

More interesting reading here:

FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

FBI — Murder

I guess there is justifiable murder. Was not thinking about that.

Sad, there is no statistics kept by the FBI on Spork related murder.
Just the "other weapons" category.

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel (Post 3074223)

I believe David is in favor or registering guns....

Cars are the gun freaks favorite strawman.... look at how many people they kill.... they should be banned.
But, that argument cuts both ways, as cars are registered and regulated in ways that guns are not. It's a piss poor argument, and has done nothing to further the cause of the gun owners.
How about periodic gun inspections? Just like a car? Bring it in and show that it remains in your possession, is in good working order, and has not had any illegal modifications??

Sure. As long as it remains a state issue. IE Pa has state inspections, Ga does not. A car registered in Ga is valid in Pa. Same as a drivers license. My DL is valid in any other state in the US, would the same apply to a CCW?
These discussions that I brought up are always the one that give most people the WELL IT'S DIFFERENT WITH GUNS response.

Why is it so different ? Both are machines the are heavily regulated. There are both federal and state guidelines that must be followed in there manufacturing. Illegally modified? Kind of a broad brush. If you reside in California you will break numerous laws by changing the air intake or exhaust on your car. Ga you would be hard pressed to find a early 90s pick up that HAS any of the pollution control devices on it. Which falls back to is this a state or federal issue? I have seen people hunt nutria in the swamps of Louisiana that use a ruger 10-22 with a 30 round magazine. The reason? The move quick and the next string of shots is needed. Especially when a bunch of them break loose.

I am bringing up points that if a elected official would say these are are the rules concerning guns fine. However it's when there is a knee jerk reaction to tragedy the rule of unintended conscience comes in to play.

I can't buy a decongestant without showing my ID because it can be made into meth. My current state has decided because ethanol is so good there will be a minimum of 10% added to the gas(which cuts the gas mileage of my old cars by 10-13%) so that the corn farmers out in the mid west can make a profit on corn.

Ok rant over.

Happy new year. Time for pork and sauerkraut.:D

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 3074886)

You seem to have missed several recent Supreme Court decisions in which the 2nd Amendment was recognized as protecting an individual's right to own a weapon, not a militia.
In 2008 and 2010, the Supreme Court issued two landmark decisions concerning the Second Amendment. In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia[1][2] and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. In dicta, the Court listed many longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession as being consistent with the Second Amendment.[3] In McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment limits state and local governments to the same extent that it limits the federal government.[4] Second Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, the militia of time gone by were much like what we now fear so dreadfully out in the woods in Idaho or Michigan. I doubt that's really where you want this to go, is it?

For Myself I don't believe the People you are speaking of in Idaho or Michigan exactly fit what I have read a Malitia was in the Past.

The News Media has labled them Malitia and it may even be the People themselves hide behind the term.

As an example a bunch of armed Members of the KKK did not make them a Malitia.

I say that because just being in an armed group of people does not make you a Malitia.

Perhaps you might avail yourself of the opportunity to learn what defined a militia. The folks in MI & ID are indeed exactly of the same stuff as the original concept.

Further reading will scare a thinking person shyteless when we consider the power vested in a militia, given early US history. Might start with artillery?