Who you gonna lock up if it is a corporate owned or government owned gun?

First in line of responsibility.

So if someone steals your car and crashes into a crowd,killing a bunch of people,should YOU or the person that stole your car be held responsible?

Objects whether guns,cars, or knives can not do anything unless someone picks them up and uses them for evil.

OK, as long as we cannot shake the apples and oranges car comments...

If you left your keys in the car with kids in it, and they started the car and ran people over.... Do you think you have any liability?

Cars are not guns and guns are not cars. Different rules apply. Not sure why people insist on treating them as equals.

Cars, hammers, guns.... they are all the same. Sporks too, a person who really cared could find a way to kill people with a spork....

If sporks are outlawed, only outlaws will have sporks.

I disagree -- it is in my control as it is in my house and my house is in my control, whether or not I am present. Were that not the case I would not have to carry liability insurance. I could tell the judge, "Hey, I wasn't home when the kid locked himself in the abandoned fridge" and everything would be okay.

I don't leave cash or guns on my kitchen table. "... a place for everything..."

Then why do people(not you specifically) keep saying we have to register cars and not guns? I am only bringing up the fact that some people WON'T separate the two.

I can see your point, but if you are held liable for the abandoned fridge, do you not imagine that people will want to hold you responsible for crimes committed with your stolen guns?

There are already insurance companies that will either not insure, or raise the premiums to insure homeowners with guns.

I believe David is in favor or registering guns....

Cars are the gun freaks favorite strawman.... look at how many people they kill.... they should be banned.
But, that argument cuts both ways, as cars are registered and regulated in ways that guns are not. It's a piss poor argument, and has done nothing to further the cause of the gun owners.
How about periodic gun inspections? Just like a car? Bring it in and show that it remains in your possession, is in good working order, and has not had any illegal modifications??

Illegal modifications of a vehicle means you cannot operate it on public roads...would the same go for firearms?

Handguns kill less people than fully automatic abortion clinics. Hows that for a strawman?


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Funny, when people kill people its usually because of a mental health issue.
Except when they do it with a gun.
Then it becomes a constitutional issue.

I think murder is murder no matter what weapon is used.
Guns, knives, sporks, dont kill people.
Mentally ill people do.

Maybe the answer lies in mental health care, and not constitutional law ?
And keeping sporks out of the hands of the criminally insane !

Not always. The mass murders are generally mental illness related, but in "normal" murders, arguments, drug deals, and robberies are popular circumstances. Read here:

FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 10

I agree with you about murder being murder, however you don't have to be mentally ill to commit it.

Given the number of crazy people I encounter on a regular basis, I think better access to mental health resources would probably be a good thing. And everyone knows no good can come from sporks.

More interesting reading here:

FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

FBI — Murder

Fridges have low value as a tool of self-defense.