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kerry · #**226** 01-17-2013, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by martureo

, Pelagius believed man is able to save himself.

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No, that's not what Pelagius believed. He believed that humans were free enough to choose God's grace on their own. God didn't have to cause the choice. He never held that humans could save themselves, only that they could choose God's salvation of their own accord. Exactly what CLK was advocating.

Air&Road · #**227** 01-17-2013, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

Please also consider the Adoption Option.

VERY GOOD suggestion!

Jim B. · #**228** 01-17-2013, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by martureo

No, you've just managed to jump head on into a logical fallacy.

Abortion is murder. But only in YOUR crazy way have you equated someone against murder with someone for murder.

Sheesh....

^^^^^ This kind of irrational fanaticism is a crystal clear example of one of the reasons I have a severe distaste for organised religion ....

elchivito · #**229** 01-17-2013, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I'll be sending you the cutlery for your Hari Kiri act. Included would be a camera for you to broadcast a traditional Japanese "apology" on youtube.

I love knives, Send them on.

My maternal great grandfather was a Penitente, I still have two of his whips. While I'm waiting for your knives to arrive I'll go out in the barn and whip myself.

kerry · #**230** 01-17-2013, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

I love knives, Send them on.

My maternal great grandfather was a Penitente, I still have two of his whips. While I'm waiting for your knives to arrive I'll go out in the barn and whip myself.

You should have plenty of barbed wire for a cilice.

aklim · #**231** 01-17-2013, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Yeah, if you're into murder, I suppose that works out quite well.

As long as you can show it is as alive as you and I, I would agree with that. All you have is slinging emotionally charged words around but you won't dare to use the same test that declares you or I alive.

aklim · #**232** 01-17-2013, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

4) Killing a human

Show me the human being that is being killed. Show me that they would be declared alive under the same rules and you and I would then you can call it a human being. Till then, it is little more than tissue.

aklim · #**233** 01-17-2013, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

Abortion is murder.

Based on what? The same test that the MD uses to declare a person dead?

aklim · #**234** 01-17-2013, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

Excuse me?

God is God, man is not. What part of that don't you understand?

We are not to act as God, we are not to take responsibility as He does.

Man is real and here. God, well, little more than made up fantasy till it is proven.

aklim · #**235** 01-17-2013, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

Hmmm... even if that were true aren't you forgetting something?

Pregnancy is something a woman's body was designed for, i.e. it's natural.

Abortion is NOT something natural, nor is it necessary.

You are defying nature on a daily basis and you want to talk to me of natural?

aklim · #**236** 01-17-2013, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

1) Aklim to demand that God show up, and use that demand to form his entire argument.

Till he/she/it proves him/her/itself, what else is there? Guesswork?

elchivito · #**237** 01-17-2013, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

You should have plenty of barbed wire for a cilice.

Barbwire I do for a fact have. I don't think he wore the celice, but according to my mother he did have a shoulder to shoulder and neck to waist cross scar that was ritually reopened and kept open by flogging during the lenten penitente observations. The members went in to the morada (their creepy clubhouse) at the beginning of lent and didn't emerge much except for their public displays. Brotherhood of The Blood of Christ in english. Or something. Descended from Jews no less. I guess some of the conversos took their new faith pretty seriously.

kerry · #**238** 01-17-2013, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

Pregnancy is something a woman's body was designed for, i.e. it's natural.

Abortion is NOT something natural, nor is it necessary.

That's false. Abortion is as natural as pregnancy. God and women's bodies aborts via miscarriages in the hundreds of thousands every day.

elchivito · #**239** 01-17-2013, 01:00 PM

I know a catholic couple who are vehemently anti-choice. They have shown the courage of their convictions by adopting, at last count, 8 children as their own. They don't bomb abortion clinics, don't attend rallies carrying signs and certainly don't wear their opinions like some sort of badge of honor. I have never heard either one of them rant and rave about abortion being murder. This to me is true activism. Anything short of that is just moralizing lip service.

aklim · #**240** 01-17-2013, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

That's false. Abortion is as natural as pregnancy. God and women's bodies aborts via miscarriages in the hundreds of thousands every day.

Does nature really matter? Is typing on a computer natural? How about the life prolonging medicines? What about the car or any of the things we take for granted? Why are we so fixated on what is natural?

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