Asking the Senate to do it's job- which they have not done for 4 years- pass a budget. Without a budget our debt has increase $5.1 Trillion under BHO. In 2012 the debt increased an average of $3.3 Billion per day.

A spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) said the Senate would “be happy to consider” an increase in the debt ceiling that arrives without conditions.

I agree with this but the Constitution says that only the body can determine its' salary and no one else.

This is one of those deals where someone saw this coming and decided to head it off by putting it in the Constitution. If the Senate can be forced to do the bidding of the House then what do we need a Senate for?

I have whined for years about Republicans not doing their jobs since all they did for years was to say NO to everything. I was told that it is their job to say no if no is what needs to be said.

Now the Dems in the Senate are saying no to the Republicans on a number of matters and the Republicans are trying to find a way to make the Senate bend to their will. This is not right, unless someone is willing to argue that saying no is a good thing with Republicans do it but a bad thing when Democrats do it.

If Republicans can force their will upon the Senate this time when would they do it next? I would guess about five minutes after this deal went through.

And.... Should the Senate pass a budget? I would say yes, but then I don't know their reasons for not doing so.

It would be nice if they made that reason public, but I am betting the reason has to do with no matter what they passed the Republicans would scream and yell and say it was not good enough.

If you know someone cannot be pleased then why waste your time trying to do so?

Who controlled the both houses when BHO first took office?
When someone says jump off a cliff is there a better answer than "no"? Because they keep asking should a person then finally say 'Um- okay I guess so..."?

So it's not good for someone to say NO to spending money that we don't have?

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When you control then you contend that blame should be on those who do not?





How about they pass one because it's the law? Um well... “The fact is that you don’t need a budget,” Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.)

Sheesh- that's just a law! It's also the law they have to pass a budget! Guess which one they want ignore!

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I didn't say that.

But when it comes to spending money we don't have.....

You do understand that ALL spending Bills MUST originate in the House, don't you? When speaking of the debt increase over the last two years there is only one place that spending could have come from, and it is controlled by Republicans.

Yawn....

So far all of the comments have whined about politics as usual. The issue at hand is: Is what the Republicans are talking about legal?

The answer is clearly no. There is a separation of Government in the three branches. If the House can make the Senate do their will and not the will of the Senate then there is no separation. The Conservatives will have finally attained their goal of tossing the Constitution out and just making it up as they go along.

One body telling the other what to do and having the power to force them to do it is not politics as usual. It is the first step towards the total destruction of the US Constitution.

I understand that few Conservatives would have a problem with that, but you should at least try and act like you support it. The rest of the world is watching, and if you think the economy is in bad shape now then just wait until the rest of the world thinks the US had just suffered a Coup.

But then, maybe that's what Conservatives want them to think?

The law does not say anything about a budget must be passed. It says that every year the President must submit one to Congress. It is then up to them to pass it and (after some debate) return it to the President for his sig.

If Congress cannot pass a budget then money is allocated according to a series of Appropriation Bills. The Republicans love this because it allows them to do two things: Keep a very tight grip on just why every dollar is spent and it lets them say that Obama has not had a budget in several years.

It also allows Congress to spend money they don't have to account for. During the Bush years a budget was always passed, but the budget never included anything for any war anywhere even though the US was spending money on them night and day. So how were they funded? Through appropriations. That way the spending never showed up as a part of the budget even though it kept showing up as a part of the debt.

Obama included war funding in his first budget and Republicans loved it. It allowed them to wail on about how much the budget had increased under Obama.

Then the war in Iraq ended.

When the next budget comes out it will show a massive drop in annual spending. This will make Obama look good, and since the Republicans have clearly stated their number one goal was to make Obama look bad then why would they want a budget passed that would make him look like the greatest money manager in US history?

Read about fiat currency and the fractional banking system. More debt means more creation of wealth. You should be asking who controls creation of wealth and "Who prospers?".

Get a f****ing clue you blindass children.

Most believe Pub.L. 93-344, 88 Stat. 297, 2 U.S.C. §§ 601–688 requires the Senate to pass a budget. It's also basically filibuster proof with the provisions in the law. So Mr Mash may understand that neither party will hold the budget hostage. BHO propose anything with a "massive drop in annual spending"??? How's the kool aid ???

I understand what you are talking about since I had that sort of thing beat into me a million years ago when I went to University.

But it is tough to try and tell others how this works. Most people cannot get a grip on the fact that my household finances bear little resemblance to the financial responsibilities and resources of a National Government.

I want to get my bills paid. The government wants to do this AND grow the economy AND reduce unemployment AND provide for the common good.

I want to grow my wealth and I want to do it with as few employees as possible. I am not a 'job creator' and I don't know anyone in business who is. In fact everyone I know is trying to figure out how to get rid of people and replace them with machines.

The governments ways are not my ways.

Hey Pooky- Did any democrats vote for your messiahs budget proposal last time? Or was it all evil Republicans who voted no? I'm sure you know a very wealthy guy, who was right there when it happened, so he will be able to tell you what really happened.

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