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Old 01-25-2013, 06:43 PM
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No Shots Fired: "Victim" holding an AR-15

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No Shots Fired: Home Intruders Decide Not to Stick Around After Seeing Their ‘Victim’ Holding an AR-15 | Video | TheBlaze.com

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Would it have mattered if it were a 12-gauge shotgun or .38 special revolver? (Or, for that matter, a wax model of an AR-15)
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No! This article is a mistake! It is only BAD guys that have AR 15's!

I hope Diane Frankenstein does not hear about this. It will cause her cardiac arrest. That will start a domino effect on society. Without Frankenstein, her plastic surgeon would go out of business, then the people who rely on the surgeons money will go out of business and so on down the line.
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Old 01-25-2013, 07:02 PM
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This is impossible, guns are evil. Should have let the police handle it, they would have been their!
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This is impossible, guns are evil. Should have let the police handle it, they would have been their!
Absolutely! It wouldn't have taken them more than 45 minutes.
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Nothing bad can happen in 45 minutes! The government says its ok, they will handle it and I'll be fine!
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Nothing bad can happen in 45 minutes! The government says its ok, they will handle it and I'll be fine!
Yeah and it is a good thing for me since I live over 20 miles from town. Thank goodness for our competent government.
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saw a sign on the way out of a small town here in iowa today it said"why should you carry a gun??because a cop is too heavy"
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Another example of someone notifying the cops after successfully defending the home.

You guys see that this validates home defense weapons or AR-15s in general. With that still in debate, what appears clear to me is that the likelyhood of someone NOT notifying the police after a home invasion incident is remote, so the vast majority of incidents of all types are reported.

With the statistics of accidental or purposeful misuse of the weapon still heavily outweighing successful use as in the above article, all this does is show us cleary that most people actually report home invasion incidents, even when no shots are fired.
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:08 AM
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Another example of someone notifying the cops after successfully defending the home.

You guys see that this validates home defense weapons or AR-15s in general. With that still in debate, what appears clear to me is that the likelyhood of someone NOT notifying the police after a home invasion incident is remote, so the vast majority of incidents of all types are reported.

With the statistics of accidental or purposeful misuse of the weapon still heavily outweighing successful use as in the above article, all this does is show us cleary that most people actually report home invasion incidents, even when no shots are fired.
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:15 AM
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It goes to the argument of whether one is statistically safer with or without a gun in the home.

Although the number of incidents where the gun was successfully used as protection are far fewer than the incidents where the gun was used against the people living in the home, many rabid pro-gunners have argued that is due to a lack of reporting of said defensive success stories. (I seem to recall you arguing this)

Some of us believe that line of reasoning is false.

This story shows that even very minor incidents of home defense will make it all the way to national prominence.
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It goes to the argument of whether one is statistically safer with or without a gun in the home.

Although the number of incidents where the gun was successfully used as protection are far fewer than the incidents where the gun was used against the people living in the home, many rabid pro-gunners have argued that is due to a lack of reporting of said defensive success stories. (I seem to recall you arguing this)

Some of us believe that line of reasoning is false.

This story shows that even very minor incidents of home defense will make it all the way to national prominence.

exactly.

To my mind, logically, there is an unmeasured element here, but it sure isn't successful gun defense of the home. Not reporting an attempted robbery simply goes against what most people would do. If you didn't shoot the person dead, then they are still at large, which is where calling the police comes in, and either way, you call the cops to report either the presence of a body, or the presence of assailants roaming the neighborhood.
Someone tries to break into my house, im definitely calling the cops, even if they run off realizing someone is at home. Maybe we should take a poll and see how many people would be fine with just running off some would be criminal, then closing their door and going back to bed? Just how likely is that? For me it stands to reason as extremely unlikely, not impossible, but not something that would produce a huge measurable statistic that would outweigh accident data.

The unmeasured element to me is much more likely to be unreported gun accidents where no one was hurt, which would only add to the imbalance and make it worse. When you look at the numbers, even though statistical data of misuse far outweighs successful home defense, all those cases of misuse are when someone gets hurt, and it ends up on the public record through the hospital or police.

The guy above reports driving off some people without firing a shot with his AR-15. If he was toying with the weapon with a round in the chamber and discharged it into a brick wall by accident, do you think he would have reported that?
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Everyone likes to bend or ignore facts.
A theory remains a theory until it is proven or disproven. The AR15 use for Home defense disproves the theory that it cannot be used for that purpose. But, those who do not want to except that will not accept it.


Reporting a Crime might depend on where you live. In some areas if Your Home is invaded they want you to leave your Home if you Can. The don't consider any sort of Property as being worth any violent altercation.
If you lived in a place like that threating a Home Invader with a Gun and reporting it could get you in Hot Water with the Police.

There was a Man beating on My Front Door with an Aluminum Base Ball Bat. I fired one Shot through the Door over His head angled so it went into the Roof over the Porch.

When the Police came they took My Gun. I was able to get it back several weeks later.
I don't live in one of those areas of the Country where they expect you to get out of your House if you can. But, notice that the Police took My Gun.

What if that Gun had come back?

Another thing to notice is that all of us Gun owners are supposed to have those "Itchy Trigger Fingers" just waiting for a chance to legally shoot someone. But, in My case I did not want to shoot the Guy and infact in Most cases I have read where someone has confronted an Intruder in their Homes they do not shoot the Intruder unless the Intruder gets agressive with them. Often they allow the Intruder to run away.

I believe a lot of Crimes all kinds are unreported simply because they don't want the Police in their House/Resident and you can end up losing time from work.
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Another example of someone notifying the cops after successfully defending the home.

You guys see that this validates home defense weapons or AR-15s in general. With that still in debate, what appears clear to me is that the likelyhood of someone NOT notifying the police after a home invasion incident is remote, so the vast majority of incidents of all types are reported.

With the statistics of accidental or purposeful misuse of the weapon still heavily outweighing successful use as in the above article, all this does is show us cleary that most people actually report home invasion incidents, even when no shots are fired.
I said this over on the other Thread. I think I was 9 years old when My Father Bought a Rifle and taught Me to Shoot.
Later We got another 22 Rife, a 12 Gauge Pump Shotgun and a 30-06 Pump Rifle.
No one was accidentally or purposely Shot.

My Uncle around the Corner had different Guns and a Retarded Child (called Special Needs Children now a days) and My other Cousin who was 5 year older than me.
No gun accidents there either.

After I got out of the Army in 1973 over the years bought a bunch of Guns and have yet to shoot someone accidentally or on purpose; and I am not looking forward to either.

All of My Uncles that lived on the East Coast Hunted and had a bunch of Guns and I never heard any stories from them of anyone in the Family getting shot.

According to the Statistics you believe some member of My Family somewhere in the Country should have been shot with one of the Guns they own. But, this amazingly has not happened.

I know I can't say that I am an especially lucky Person. But, apparently I am extremely lucky concerning My handling of Guns.

However, I should be afraid to go to work and afraid to Drive because I have broken Bones in accidents doing both of those things.

I also managed to break My Hip just trying to Walk up the 3 Stairs on My front Poarch; so I should be afraid to Walk up My front Porch also.

So in My own life Statistically I am safer Shooting or handling My Guns than I am Working, Driving My Car or Walking up My Porch.


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