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Old 01-27-2013, 06:35 PM
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I think I found the optic I'm going to put on my AR build. I want something I can take out to 600 yards but I can still use closer in.



Trijicon has gotten some great reviews from this series of scope, supposedly it competes against European scopes that cost 3 times as much.

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Ah yes, from the makers of the "Jesus scope"...
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Trijicon Accupoint 3-9X40, Mil-Dot Crosshair and LT104-1 Mount | LaRue Tactical

I think I found the optic I'm going to put on my AR build. I want something I can take out to 600 yards but I can still use closer in.



Trijicon has gotten some great reviews from this series of scope, supposedly it competes against European scopes that cost 3 times as much.
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I vote eotec with a flip mount magnifier. I cant get over how awesome the holographic sights are, having used one in the moment.
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Old 01-27-2013, 07:46 PM
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This is a DMR so I'm not going to use a HOLO on it.

An Aimpoint CompM4 is on the list though for the Sig and if I can another AR I'd like to buy set up as a carbine.
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Trijicon Accupoint 3-9X40, Mil-Dot Crosshair and LT104-1 Mount | LaRue Tactical

I think I found the optic I'm going to put on my AR build. I want something I can take out to 600 yards but I can still use closer in.



Trijicon has gotten some great reviews from this series of scope, supposedly it competes against European scopes that cost 3 times as much.
You expect to get a 600 yard effective range from a lighteight .223? I've never dealt with a scoped version but that still sounds optimistic.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:27 PM
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Yes the M855 round was designed to penetrate a Kevlar at 600 meters.

That's an old load, the new MK262 allows affective engagement to 700 meters. Also something like a modern TSX round is extremely capable of retaining lethality after passing threw brush and cars.

The 5.56 has come a long way since Vietnam, and the old M193. The Marines are moving over to the MK318 SOST round which is extremely affective.

Also remember I'll be firing these out of a 20in barrel with a 1:8 twist and polygonal rifling so I'll be getting over 3k fps out of all of them. Compared to the military standard of 14.7 inch's.
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Yes the M855 round was designed to penetrate a Kevlar at 600 meters.

That's an old load, the new MK262 allows affective engagement to 700 meters. Also something like a modern TSX round is extremely capable of retaining lethality after passing threw brush and cars.

The 5.56 has come a long way since Vietnam, and the old M193. The Marines are moving over to the MK318 SOST round which is extremely affective.

Also remember I'll be firing these out of a 20in barrel with a 1:8 twist and polygonal rifling so I'll be getting over 3k fps out of all of them. Compared to the military standard of 14.7 inch's.
Learn something new every day around here. I haven't fired an M16 since the Spring of 71, and of course that was with iron sights. Even with optics I would have been shocked if you could hit anything at 600 yards, much less expend any energy at that range.

That said, I was quite an M14 bigot at the time for long range work. With an M14 I could hit a human profile target at 350 meters almost every time. My eyes were a few years younger at the time though.
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I vote eotec with a flip mount magnifier. I cant get over how awesome the holographic sights are, having used one in the moment.
My son-lin-law (Infantry SFC USAR) argued for the Trijicon for more distance (and accurate) shooting and the Eotec for in close. His argument is that the Eotec reticule is much faster on target in close, but not sufficiently fine for 100 m or greater when accuracy is more important than bullets downrange.

What is your experience?
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Learn something new every day around here. I haven't fired an M16 since the Spring of 71, and of course that was with iron sights. Even with optics I would have been shocked if you could hit anything at 600 yards, much less expend any energy at that range.

That said, I was quite an M14 bigot at the time for long range work. With an M14 I could hit a human profile target at 350 meters almost every time. My eyes were a few years younger at the time though.
MedMech pretty effectively shut-down my pro-M14 argument. (I hate to say this but....) he shot my argument full of holes.
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Learn something new every day around here. I haven't fired an M16 since the Spring of 71, and of course that was with iron sights. Even with optics I would have been shocked if you could hit anything at 600 yards, much less expend any energy at that range.

That said, I was quite an M14 bigot at the time for long range work. With an M14 I could hit a human profile target at 350 meters almost every time. My eyes were a few years younger at the time though.
Fast forward 40 years now and its a whole different world.

The M14 while a great rifle is obsolete. Replaced by a slew of AR10's but that's not really doing something like an SR25 or HK417 justice, or the FN Scar 17.

AR's in general have come a long way, they are just about the most reliable carbine you can buy. Spend 40 years improving a design and it gets pretty good.

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For example the army didn't and still doesn't have stuff like this. You can wipe this bolt and carrier dry than pump 3k rounds threw it in a weekend with nothing but a wipe off with a rag every night. Being able to run a lube less bolt is a big advantage in the desert or cold climates...
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Fast forward 40 years now and its a whole different world.

The M14 while a great rifle is obsolete. Replaced by a slew of AR10's but that's not really doing something like an SR25 or HK417 justice, or the FN Scar 17.

AR's in general have come a long way, they are just about the most reliable carbine you can buy. Spend 40 years improving a design and it gets pretty good.

AR-15 Rifle Kits
For example the army didn't and still doesn't have stuff like this. You can wipe this bolt and carrier dry than pump 3k rounds threw it in a weekend with nothing but a wipe off with a rag every night. Being able to run a lube less bolt is a big advantage in the desert or cold climates...
That's okay, I love '40 Fords too, and they were obsolete before I was born. You spend enough quality time with a car or a rifle and it can grow on you to a point of endearment that can't be overcome just because something comes along that is better. In fact in my mind it is possible to be in love with the old AND the new.

The only M14 I ever fired was what was available at the time. Same goes for the M16. I have no experience with the newer ones, so the comparison in my mind is between the two that were available ca. '68 to '71. Of those two, I preferred shooting the M14, although in the jungle, the M16A1 was the more practical choice, mainly due to the weight of the weapon and more importantly, the weight of the ammo.

It is interesting reading about the evolution. Thanks for starting the thread!

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