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Old 02-27-2013, 08:00 PM
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I don't believe she has named the alleged attacker.

The veracity of her story notwithstanding, it would seem as if the University Honor Court has created a bad situation for the entire school with their overly exuberant interpretation of the honor code.

Maybe these kids need to take a couple marketing classes in addition to law....
Even if she did name him, it wouldn't be slander unless the accusation was false (up to a civil court to decide that).

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Old 02-27-2013, 09:38 PM
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I'm aware of the Duke fiasco, and it looks like the lying bint involved killed someone a few years afterwards. Perhaps if they'd stuck her in prison for felony perjury and thrown away the key, that wouldn't have happened.

I want the alleged rapist to go to trial. However, the alleged victim should ALSO have her freedom of speech. Too much crazy of all types in the water down in NC.
Isn't it a Crime not to report a Felony; if so that overrides any University Code of Conduct.
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:53 PM
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What part of "alleged" eludes you?

Have rape victims never blamed the wrong man? Or fabricated a whole story?
This is what I said "Assuming She was raped and knows who did ..."

In theory the Law is that in certain Crimes if the Victim is the only Witness that is enough evidence to Convict the Criminal. But, the Jury has to believe that.

The last time I was actually on a Jury (6 Women 6 Men) it was a Rape Case and I was the only Man that voted Guilty.

So the Jury was Hung; although the Judge said the alleged Criminal might be re-tried.
The rape Victim was Raped during a robbery of Her House.
What I found out is that while the Victims sworn testimony is enough for the Law it may not be enough for the Jury.

In the mean time if some one shot Me and I run out the Door I am going to be screaming the Name of the Person who shot Me; if I know it.
I am not going to run out of the Door screaming someone "allegedly shot Me".
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:58 PM
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This is more like reverse PC.
Reverse discrimination is still discrimination. Reverse PC is still PC.
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:18 PM
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In the mean time if some one shot Me and I run out the Door I am going to be screaming the Name of the Person who shot Me; if I know it.
I am not going to run out of the Door screaming someone "allegedly shot Me".
I didn't realize the woman in question had just been raped and had running screaming through the college. My bad.
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:55 PM
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Even if she did name him, it wouldn't be slander unless the accusation was false (up to a civil court to decide that).
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Old 02-28-2013, 06:37 AM
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Reverse discrimination is still discrimination. Reverse PC is still PC.
I don't think so. It is just another sad example of attacking the victim when a wrong has been done.
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Landen Gambill, a sophomore from Mooresville, was informed last week by the student-run judicial system that she has been charged with an honor code violation for speaking out about alleged abuse and sexual violence by an ex-boyfriend, who also is a UNC-CH student. A letter from the system to Gambill said that she had been charged with “disruptive or intimidating behavior that willfully abuses, disparages, or otherwise interferes” with another’s academic pursuits at the university.

The accusation was made by the ex-boyfriend, who was found not guilty in an earlier honor court proceeding, according to Gambill. UNC’s honor court is its student-run judicial system. Its hearings and outcomes are typically private.



..............................Now she regrets ever going to the honor court, she said.“It was awful,” she said. “It was a terrible, grueling experience. It was one of the worst days of my life. It made me and my family miserable. My parents still suffer because of it.”Gambill said the court members asked her questions that seemed to imply the assaults were her fault. And, she said, a previous suicide attempt before she came to UNC-CH was used against her by her ex-boyfriend’s defenders during the court hearing, to question her credibility.

Now, she faces another trial, and a range of punishments, up to and including expulsion.“I think they want me to shut up and to be quiet and not to talk about it any more,” Gambill said. “I think they’re trying to scare me into silence. I mean, that’s the only possible justification. They want to punish me for calling them out and saying, ‘We deserve better than this.’”University spokeswoman Karen Moon said in a statement Tuesday that the campus judicial system is entirely run by students, and administrators can neither encourage nor prevent charges against students. Those decisions are made by the student attorneys general, she said.“Given that these charging decisions are made by Student Attorney Generals and not by campus administrators, a claim of retaliation by the University would be without merit,” Moon’s statement said.

Read more here: CHAPEL HILL: Student who spoke out on UNC conduct is now accused | Local/State | NewsObserver.com


I'm just glad to find out the accuser isn't my neice, who is also a sophomore at Chapel Hill.


This isn't the only thing happening on Campus:

UNC-Chapel Hill holds surprise inspections of classes to make sure they’re real

..........."The unusual spot checks are the latest fallout from an academic fraud scandal that has dealt a blow to UNC-CH’s reputation. In December, a review by former Gov. Jim Martin and the Baker Tilly consulting firm found more than 200 African and Afro-American Studies classes with little or no instruction dating back to the late 1990s. Among the irregularities were no-show classes, poorly supervised independent studies, and hundreds of unauthorized grade changes. Athletes accounted for 45 percent of the enrollments in the bogus classes in a 10-year period, the review found.The problems caught the eye of SACS, the accrediting agency, whose president, Belle Wheelan, sent a strongly worded letter in January to UNC-CH Chancellor Holden Thorp, saying that the university had not provided sufficient evidence that it had addressed breaches in academic integrity."

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/02/27/2712446/unc-chapel-hill-checking-on-its.html#storylink=cpy

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If you are raped you need to call LEO and report it. Why after being raped would you not report it to LEO but instead sometime later report the "rape" to a school "court"? It appears everyone here thinks she was raped- but I don't believe it - because of this small fact-

"did not report the assault to police"


- later she wants to report it and remove the person she alleges from the campus. Most of you here are outraged that the person is still on the campus, UNC is not prosecuting these "rapes" and then persecuting the rape "victim".

Sorry I don't buy your crocodile tears, nor hers at this point. If you are raped call the police ASAP after or during the rape. Reporting it some time later presents a huge amount of doubt as to the veracity of her version of events. Reporting it to the school "court" system instead of the LEO brings on even more issues. If her story stands then any women can report a rape whenever they want and the alleged assaulter could be charged and tried in the public realm.

The moral of the story? Report it ASAP -TO THE POLICE- or you will have a far more difficult time claiming you were "raped". I support that - not the ability of reporting rapes much later.
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One of these situations where you are damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Rape victim is viewed as damaged goods at best. Total slut or worse.

Like a falsely accused child molester can go back to his previous life?

Read an article recently about a model forced into prositution by a man who taped his rape of her. Life as she knew it was over if the tapes were released.
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Old 02-28-2013, 11:12 AM
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Your 2nd statement is interesting to me.


I know a few rape victims (surprise - most were in college at the time). I dont consider any of them damaged. Nor do I consider them sluts.

Not sure what the 'solution' is, but it probably has something to do with "judging people by the content of their charachter..."

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Old 02-28-2013, 11:41 AM
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Was it a legitimate rape?
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Old 02-28-2013, 12:42 PM
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What power exactly does this "student-run judicial system" have? Are its decisions enforced/able by the conventional judicial system and law-enforcement?

1) The name of the accused should not be made public. For if the accuser is fabricating, even if the accused sues for slander, the accused's life is irrevocably altered.
2) Once the accused has been tried, then you can make the name public.
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I'm aware of the Duke fiasco, and it looks like the lying bint involved killed someone a few years afterwards. Perhaps if they'd stuck her in prison for felony perjury and thrown away the key, that wouldn't have happened.

I want the alleged rapist to go to trial. However, the alleged victim should ALSO have her freedom of speech. Too much crazy of all types in the water down in NC.
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