****ing nazi scum....

I was always very grateful that my mom and dad never shielded me from their past. They always spoke openly about it. They wild come to my schools when we spoke about WWII and talk about their past.

After my mom passed, my dad took US to Europe and we went to Auchwitz (where my dad was) and toured the camp. Hardest thing I ever did and probably the best thing I ever did.

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Because it is a reality that most would like to forget. Not having been through it I cannot imagine the pain and suffering that goes with an experience like that. There are a lot of vets who do not talk about their past.

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My grandpa started to talk about the war at the end of his life and only to me and the husband of my aunt.

When I go back to Europe I'm always amazed about how much WWII and the Holocaust are still such a big factor of life and the impact it made on the psyche of the people.

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WW1 had already had a similar psychological impact which then merged with WW2 less then a generation later.

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Not where I'm from. In Belgium and the Northern part of French you're right, that's where the carnage took place. In those parts WWI is still alive till today and overshadows WWII, in the rest of Europe I don't think so much.

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I'm still wondering why Wilson got us into European tribal wars. WTF?

That depends on what you have and who wants it. Not all countries are agresssive nor do they have the military power to enforce their will upon the noncompliant. Some countries are more than happy to stay out of world afffairs and take care of their own problems at home.
It's only when through political, religious, or cultural means, that others try to force their ideals that trouble starts.

America has as much history of fighting against oppresion as it does in formenting the same.

The war was very much about resources as mentioned in this thread. The Jews were one of the best resources for the Nazis. In the beginning of the rise of Nazi politics the Jews became the answer for what was wrong with the German economy after WWI.
There are a reason for stereotypes, Jewish people have a culture of excellence, they're determined, hard working, and generally smart people. This leads to success. When your in a crippled economy and you see a sub-sect succeeding it becomes easy to point the blame at this group.
Take this blame and make it political, then use that political power to take the wealth from those successful people.
I don't think the Nazis could have accomplished what they did without usurping the wealth of the Jews. Once you've taken these people wealth, you have no use for them........ yeah, history tells that story very well.

So you can't really say the War had nothing to do with the Jews.

And as said in this thread, the holocaust did not only effect the Jews. It targeted any sub group who could be easily taken advantaged of, and bonus points if taking them out of the picture lead to the Nazis gaining wealth or power.

The holocaust is not only an attack on religion and race, its also the most extreme act of class warfare.

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ASSUMING what you have is valuable and people need it, there will be a fight over it. Yes, not all countries have the military power but guess what, they will try push it any way they can. Take Iran for instance. They cannot go toe to toe with us but they sponsor our enemies, for instance. ON PAPER, they are pretty passive, don't you think? One lesson I learned when growing up in the ASEAN world was that even though we have a cooperation pact, if I can affect your interests, you will use any means at your disposal to enforce your will.

Officially, you would be right. Fact is, nobody gets involved in an affair if it has no interest in it for them. I don't care if you are talking about China or Russia. No interest, no action. As I have always said, give a human being the means and the motive and watch them do something bad.

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Exactly. Justifications will come later.

For example, say the Axis had won. The members would have written the history and the history would have reflected their glorious victory over the dark forces of Jews and commies and their dupes. Etc.

I'm not sure the Jews had so much wealth that it made all things possible. I think that the scapegoat, in this case, the evil, trouble causing Jew was a rallying point around which the population could gather and be united.

IIRC, Hitler, even when the war was going bad put as much effort into their eradication. I think someone commented that if it was a choice between a train taking jews to be gassed and troops to be moved, the Jew would be gassed first.

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The ghettos of Europe were no Beverly Hills.

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Nice sounding ones, to be specific.

Had the Axis won, Hitler would be the hero for having the stones to make the world a Jew free place and thus a better world with a huge amount of self sacrifice, both personal and work wise, etc, etc. Too bad he didn't take it far enough and start with himself since he was supposed to have Jewish blood and we can't have that running around.

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Maybe not but before they were in the ghettos, do you suppose that the collective Jewish wealth was that significant? I'm not sure myself so just asking.

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