|
|
|
#16
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
It cannot affect or improve the "handling" of the vehicle, which, by definition, affects the ability to change the direction you want the vehicle to go. I'm a bit surprised you would be in the 4wd camp for all the wrong reasons. |
#17
|
||||
|
||||
My 2wd f-150 would get stuck even if it wasn't snowing. My mountaineer AWD worked well this winter.
__________________
For the Saved, this world is the worst it will ever get. For the unSaved, this world is the best it will ever get. Clk's Ebay Stuff BUY SOMETHING NOW!!! |
#18
|
|||
|
|||
You're comparing an ill-balanced (front heavy unless loaded) RWD vehicle to an AWD truck that has better balance. Compare a 2WD car with close to 50/50 balance and winter tires to an AWD vehicle and the comparison becomes much closer.
|
#19
|
||||
|
||||
When my wife got her 300E stuck on a friends street in 6" of slush/ice/sleet on the street, I cruised on over in my 300SD, put a tow cable between our tow hooks and proceeded to drag the 300E about 1,200 feet uphill to the main road without an issue. She only told me afterwards that she had been on the brakes for half of it! I never noticed The 300E also had a lot of what was on the street on the hood/window.
617 power forever!
__________________
-diesel is not just a fuel, its a way of life- '15 GLK250 Bluetec 118k - mine - (OC-123,800) '17 Metris(VITO!) - 37k - wifes (OC-41k) '09 Sprinter 3500 Winnebago View - 62k (OC - 67k) '13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k) '01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km) '16 E400 4matic Sedan - 148k - Brothers (OC-155k) |
#20
|
||||
|
||||
Well, perhaps because it's a dupe picture posted from elsewhere. FWIW, that body style of Audi pictured was by measure, one of the most dated / homely designs of it's time. It only gets worse by seeing it again in 2013.
|
#21
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
The design actually harks back to the NSU Ro80 (Audi bought the company): |
#22
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
__________________
'07 Yukon 2500 '13 Subaru Outback 3.6R '13 Orbea Carpe 9-speed Currently Benzless Formerly: 300TD, S600, E55, 560SEL ---= The forest breathes, listen. -Native American elder |
#23
|
||||
|
||||
Because it looks awesome Alright, for those who want to get scientific about all this, read up. all 4WD/AWD on one page - a simple, easy to understand overview - all available 4WD, all wheel drive and 4x4 systems and their differences - 4WD concepts, their function, their layout, their purpose, their advantages And as far as snow traction is concerned there is really only one answer. How many snow tire chains are needed for snow and ice on a 4 wheel drive SUV (4x4)? If only one set - mount snow chains front or rear? http://www.rubicon-trail.com/jeep101/chains.html
__________________
1982 300GD Carmine Red (DB3535) Cabriolet Parting Out 1990 300SEL Smoke Silver (Parting out) 1991 350SDL Blackberry Metallic (481) "The thing is Bob, its not that I'm lazy...its that I just don't care." |
#24
|
||||
|
||||
If a given person can't drive on snowy roads with 2WD, they can't with AWD, either.
AWD simply allows idiots to believe the laws of physics are suggestions, and thereby to get in trouble that much faster. |
#25
|
|||
|
|||
My Subie feels very planted on the road and it likes to go up to 80-90 MPH and stay there. Of course those speeds would be a little crazy in the rain or snow, but I'm still able to comfortably go a little faster than the herd. There is less chance of fishtailing since all four wheels are pushing or getting engine braking at the same time (at least with the manual trans, not sure about automatics). It is confidence-inspiring, though I'm always aware that there might be a false sense of security, and common sense should dictate. Getting the best tires you can afford is more important than any particular drive system.
__________________
1985 380SE Blue/Blue - 230,000 miles 2012 Subaru Forester 5-speed 2005 Toyota Sienna 2004 Chrysler Sebring convertible 1999 Toyota Tacoma |
#26
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
Once day, when they kill somebody, they might get some common sense for the remainder of their lives and realize that their excessive speed got them to their destinations a good two minutes faster than the traffic that actually had the common sense in the first place. The average person is a moron. |
#27
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
__________________
1985 380SE Blue/Blue - 230,000 miles 2012 Subaru Forester 5-speed 2005 Toyota Sienna 2004 Chrysler Sebring convertible 1999 Toyota Tacoma |
#28
|
||||
|
||||
Reminds me of those stories of people who turn the cruise control on and go off to do something else thinking the car will drive itself
__________________
1982 300GD Carmine Red (DB3535) Cabriolet Parting Out 1990 300SEL Smoke Silver (Parting out) 1991 350SDL Blackberry Metallic (481) "The thing is Bob, its not that I'm lazy...its that I just don't care." |
#29
|
|||
|
|||
Tires are very important when the road conditions deteriorate. A 1970 Chevy pickup (I have one and it possesses abysmal icy-road performance) on good snow tires will fare better than an Outback with 4 underinflated baldies.
But with comparable tires a competent driver will be more secure and enjoy better performance (except braking) in a 4WD/AWD car in nearly all road conditions, especially ice and snow. The author is misleading when he states that by minimizing oversteer an AWD car isn't improving handling, it's aiding acceleration. BS. And on an icy road acceleration isn't the goal, trying to maintain control is and AWD helps this without question. Go where there's snow and see what the locals drive. The key is driver skill and caution and knowing that while AWD gives you the ability to drive faster than much of the traffic it can also get you in over your head when you're faced with the need to change direction or brake rapidly.
__________________
1983 M-B 240D-Gone too. 1976 M-B 300D-Departed. "Good" is the worst enemy of "Great". |
#30
|
||||
|
||||
AWD or 4WD will make a vehicle traveling on slippery highways more stable. here is why....if it is very slick, if only two wheels are driving it is able to lose traction with the driven wheels and the vehicle will slew to one side or the other. If FWD that will mean it will simply begin to plow off the road.
I have driven my Montero on slippery highways and in windy conditions I stopped and engaged 4wd high range and straight line stability improved markedly. I am a rear drive lover and find in most cases 2wd with no LSD is just fine but particularly in my Mitsu which is high center of gravity and short wheelbase and has LSd on the rear axle and perhaps a front weight bias (not really sure about that) the difference when driving on a truly slippery highway is remarkable. I believe this will apply to cornering too but when slippery I am pretty careful with that. The AWD Magnum I had was good too. Though Once I got stuck in the end of my driveway and the car simply would not move. I switched off the traction control (or stability control) and drove right out.
__________________
[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC] ..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis. |
Bookmarks |
|
|