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Do white people have a future in South Africa?
Do white people have a future in South Africa?
I was reading this the other day and I found my self a bit torn. On the one hand you reap what you sow. The white minority has treated the black minority like crap (worse than crap) for decades. The murdered, imprisoned, tortured the black population. Now the tables are turned. Sucks to be them. On the other hand, if the cycle continues they will have a hard time trying to rebuild their nation. I am sure there has to be a big brain drain as the whites were the only ones allowed formal education. They need each other and do not seem to realize it or if they do, they are to filled with rage and anger to care. Not that I can blame them.
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The white future is dark.
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Does Africa have a future?
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Man has lived on the African Continent since the dawn of man. I do not think some civil unrest will seal their fate.
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Yep. A ****ty one. Just like it's past.
- Peter.
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I think there is a difference if you're an Afrikaner or an English speaking South African white.
The most interesting thing about South Africa I think is that the ANC literally replaced the apartheid regime and that only a small ANC elite benefits but for most blacks things didn't change that much.
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I think the graph is telling...
Share of income in South Africa 1993 and 2008 Graph showing share of income in South Africa between 1993 and 2008
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A lot of whites left and lots of Chinese came.
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Eventually the human race is going to hump itself into some tannish color anyway. Makes me want to tear up my KKK sheet in frustration.
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But the telling point is the bottom two lines have stayed flat...
I would say that S.A. has a future, it is just a Chinese one...
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I don't think "Asian" applies to far easterner's only. It likely includes Indian's (which I can bet is the Asian reference in this graph).
I spent a lot of time in Africa - if you ask me, white people have a bright future in Africa. The old colonial mentality of relegating the Africans to 3rd class citizen is no longer a white problem - but actually an Asian problem now. Ironically, it seems the Asians have adopted the same principles that were imposed upon them and the Africans, while most of the younger white generation has come to terms and seems to have done a good job of assimilating. Of course, there is always the in-fighting within the various African tribes which also spills over into other races.
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I got to know fairly well a young couple from south Africa when I was in Europe in 1973. He was an Architect working in a Rome based firm run by an Expat American. I got to know him and his wife because they were living in the campground in Rome as I and my wife were. We had a little 13' travel trailer, they were in a cargo van (may have actually been a Mercedes but cannot remember anymore) which he converted into a rather nice motor home with only skylights, no side windows to avoid paying RV tax when they crossed borders (or some such).
The firm was busy and I actually went to work for them for a couple or three weeks. I worked on an apartment villa which was going to be built in Spain. We drew with Ink on the highest quality vellum I ever saw. We erased the ink when it went wrong by scraping it off the vellum with a razor blade cupped between the fingers. IIRC, They were not planning to return to South Africa because they feared when the Black folks finally took over SA (and they thought it was coming sooner rather than later) all the whites would be treated roughly or killed. I wonder if they are still living in Rome?
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The tragedy of South Africa is that its had a succession of mostly bad governments for much of its history with the current gang of criminals being by far the worst. Unlikely that it will ever be able to dig itself out of its reality. - Peter.
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Yes, I believe that is right. They had a very detailed list of things to look for to determine if a person who looked "white" might actually be 1/32 black or other 'Colour". The book "The covenant" by Michener goes into great detail describing the process used to ferret out mixed race folks. The title refers to the Dutch folks who justified their enslavement of the Black folks by various references in the Old Testament.
The dark skinned Indians I don't believe were accorded any more respect than the native blacks. I imagine a lot of the Indians and their descendants brought in to work fields are now in the merchant class. I believe the people of color also were called Kaffers. I am not sure of the spelling but I believe it is derived from the Dutch word for coffee.
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