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Old 06-06-2013, 12:46 AM
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More NSA spying...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/06/us/us-secretly-collecting-logs-of-business-calls.html

Frankly, the PATRIOT Act is treason in my book (an attack on the US system from within, to the benefit of our enemies). Hope we see the day that the people who had the biggest hand in creating it end up in general population making new "friends" for their efforts.


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Old 06-06-2013, 07:27 AM
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My dad, an old time party line guy supported it. He and I argued constantly about it when it was coming up for a vote. Dad took the stance that it was good for the security of the nation...I told him that the next POTUS and other elected government bigwigs could easily manipulate it into the worst thing this country has ever seen.

He was of the mindset that you trusted your nation's leaders to do right...I was of the mindset that I don't trust anyone in the Federal government to do things right.

This was the single worst piece of legislation ever created...
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Old 06-06-2013, 07:31 AM
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Son of Alien & Sedition Acts.
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Old 06-06-2013, 07:42 AM
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To this day, I am furious at Bush and congress for passing this law. Most people would consider me to be a conservative and I generally liked Bush. I was hopping mad when this was proposed and passed. Given the choice of repealing it or Obamacare (which I want repealed), I would live with O'care and repeal the Patriot act.
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Old 06-06-2013, 09:53 AM
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demolish the Patriot Act. We are being conquered from the inside. Facism is beginning to run rampant.
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Old 06-06-2013, 11:03 AM
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The PA isn't going away. After 9/11 WE were told to be very afraid, and WE believed it. WE put this power in their hands. WE own it. The vast conspiracy is US.

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Old 06-06-2013, 11:07 AM
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Vast conspiracy (if you can call it that) is that the average Dumberican is too rock-dumb and uneducated to know better.
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Old 06-06-2013, 11:20 AM
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Here's one I'll go out on a limb and say the majority of us 'round these here parts can agree on - right, left, center, or agile enough to hop around the pigeon holes:

Bush and the administration he led were wrong to create & pass the Patriot Act.

Obama and the administration he leads are wrong to exercise the damn thing.
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Old 06-06-2013, 11:23 AM
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Here's one I'll go out on a limb and say the majority of us 'round these here parts can agree on - right, left, center, or agile enough to hop around the pigeon holes:

Bush and the administration he led were wrong to create & pass the Patriot Act.

Obama and the administration he leads are wrong to exercise the damn thing.
It's Bush's fault.
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Old 06-06-2013, 11:24 AM
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Here's one I'll go out on a limb and say the majority of us 'round these here parts can agree on - right, left, center, or agile enough to hop around the pigeon holes:

Bush and the administration he led were wrong to create & pass the Patriot Act.

Obama and the administration he leads are wrong to exercise the damn thing.
It's Obama's fault.
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Old 06-06-2013, 11:24 AM
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Here's one I'll go out on a limb and say the majority of us 'round these here parts can agree on - right, left, center, or agile enough to hop around the pigeon holes:

Bush and the administration he led were wrong to create & pass the Patriot Act.

Obama and the administration he leads are wrong to exercise the damn thing.
It's our own damn fault.
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Old 06-06-2013, 11:34 AM
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It's our own damn fault.
For not electing someone as willing to tell ALL sides to fawk themselves as Ron Paul.
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:40 PM
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Even St. Ron caved to the religious right on abortion. They all have their sell-out thresholds.
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:44 PM
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Even St. Ron caved to the religious right on abortion. They all have their sell-out thresholds.
I'm generally pro-choice, at least for 1st trimester, but I'd rather have an anti-abortionist than a wholesale enabler of totalitarianism.
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Old 06-06-2013, 01:03 PM
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I'm generally pro-choice, at least for 1st trimester, but I'd rather have an anti-abortionist than a wholesale enabler of totalitarianism.
Back to the "least objectionable" choice.

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