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Old 06-08-2013, 01:08 PM
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Government is tracking all U.S. phone calls [and internet forums]

Dunno if this has been addressed here recently. According to the article at the other end of the link below, secret monitoring on phone lines extend back to at least 1978, and since the Patriot Act have expended relentlessly, to include monitoring of internet forums.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-secret-surveillance-20130607,0,5263648.story?page=1&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20latimes%2Fnews%2Fnationworld%2Fnation%20%28L.A.%20Times%20-%20National%20News%29&utm_source=feedburner&track=rss

Also, accordingly, components of this spying were supposed to be up for review for the purpose of being removed. Not only has that not been done, but the opposite has taken place.

Interesting article and while not exactly new information, the scope of the intrusion continues to grow. The Senate appears to be the leading proponents of this, but no one in the .gov appears to object at all.

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Old 06-08-2013, 01:34 PM
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All overseas calls are monitored for content of key words I thought with automatic machines. There is no way that the signifigant manpower required is available to do it with Human monitoring directly.

Unless there is ether some previous knowledge or indication that it could produce some results. No doubt though that some monitoring is done and always has been. If I log on to terrorist type sites It may be logged and checked. It would be stupid to do otherwise in todays environment. You have to have a way to locate and follow up on the crazies.
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Old 06-08-2013, 05:55 PM
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For keywords? Like bomb building?
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Old 06-08-2013, 06:33 PM
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I heard that one plot was foiled when the guy building the bomb needed some pointers on just how much of whatever to use so he e-mailed the main office for some advice.

Since he was a bit behind on his 'booming' schedule he included his cell number so they could call him with the info.

(If I had been at the home office I would have e-mailed back 'Do not expect us to hurry just because you waited until the last minute!')

Anyway, the Feds were able to take the info and use it to stop the guy who really was planning on some major killing.
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Old 06-08-2013, 06:51 PM
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Pursuant to the Patriot Act IV, this forum has been deemed to espouse anti-government sentiments. As such the Department of Homeland Security has determined that this forum is to be shut down immediately and all of the members thereof shall be transported to one of the re-education centers now open in Nevada.
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I heard that one plot was foiled when the guy building the bomb needed some pointers on just how much of whatever to use so he e-mailed the main office for some advice.

Since he was a bit behind on his 'booming' schedule he included his cell number so they could call him with the info.

(If I had been at the home office I would have e-mailed back 'Do not expect us to hurry just because you waited until the last minute!')

Anyway, the Feds were able to take the info and use it to stop the guy who really was planning on some major killing.
Price of freedom is the occasional corpse or 10. If the argument works for the NRA people, why should it not also apply to forms of civil liberties other than the RKBA?
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Well then, let's shut all of these activities down and just sit tight and wait for the next September 11. Of course, then, cretins (not talking about you of course, nosiree) will rail on about how we sat on our asses and let it happen.
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Old 06-08-2013, 08:58 PM
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Well then, let's shut all of these activities down and just sit tight and wait for the next September 11. Of course, then, cretins (not talking about you of course, nosiree) will rail on about how we sat on our asses and let it happen.
You make it sound like an "either-or" proposition. Either we agree to the unreasonable searches, OR there will be more attacks.

How about we understand that there will be more attacks, and police have many tools already in available. If the police have a reason to suspect someone, they can get a warrant for more searches.
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You make it sound like an "either-or" proposition. Either we agree to the unreasonable searches, OR there will be more attacks.

How about we understand that there will be more attacks, and police have many tools already in available. If the police have a reason to suspect someone, they can get a warrant for more searches.
If they don't have the intel to develop the suspicion, what would compel them to secure a warrant?
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Pursuant to the Patriot Act IV, this forum has been deemed to espouse anti-government sentiments. As such the Department of Homeland Security has determined that this forum is to be shut down immediately and all of the members thereof shall be transported to one of the re-education centers now open in Nevada.
The FBI once put out a list of books that, if you checked them out of your local library, would earn you a visit from one of their people.

The list was published, so I went down and checked out a few of them.

The library's across the country refused to play ball, so I never got to visit with anyone. I did get to read a few good books, though.
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I'll just move to Cuba, more freedom.
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I'll just move to Cuba, more freedom.
and better cigars, old Mercedes and no building permits...
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Price of freedom is the occasional corpse or 10. If the argument works for the NRA people, why should it not also apply to forms of civil liberties other than the RKBA?

The American people said that they would not accept even one death from terrorists and so you have what you asked for.
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