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Old 06-16-2013, 11:33 PM
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Who's the traitor here...

Some words of wisdom from Cheney...

Cheney defends NSA programs, says Snowden a 'traitor,' Obama 'lacks credibility' | Fox News

Amazing perspective from a war criminal.
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Cheney can't be a "war criminal" 'cause his side didn't lose!

I believe Uncle Adolph said something along the line of, "The victors write history". He might have been quoting somebody.
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Old 06-17-2013, 12:29 AM
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Cheney can't be a "war criminal" 'cause his side didn't lose!

I believe Uncle Adolph said something along the line of, "The victors write history". He might have been quoting somebody.
His side didn't win either.
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'cause his side didn't lose!

Depends on how you keep score........
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Old 06-17-2013, 07:07 AM
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Personal attacks aside, the OP posed an interesting question.
Is there a hero here, at all?
The "whistle-blower", possible Chinese spy?
The administration doing the spying?-their defense is that "it works"--they claim that the spying makes us more secure--as if trading Rights for security is a good thing.
Nope, no heroes here at all--just political animals playing the game of politics.

Since when is getting good results ever been an acceptable legal defense for doing something illegal, or unconstitutional?
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Old 06-17-2013, 07:53 AM
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The guy could be guilty of espionage and also have done teh American people a great favor.

Winners always write the history.

OR...

What does the Gauls' history say of Caesar?
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The guy could be guilty of espionage and also have done teh American people a great favor.

Winners always write the history.

OR...

What does the Gauls' history say of Caesar?


Cheyney also saluted Obama for picking up where he and Bush left off and, in effect doubling down on these secret monitoring programs. Prism began under GWB and Obama has not taken his foot off the accellerator one teenwy weeny little bit.

Quite frankly, I would expect (and demand) nothing less from a President in this day and age.


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If he is a Chinese spy, then no hero.....
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Old 06-17-2013, 11:19 AM
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I think what we have in Edward Snowden is just a narcissistic young man who has decided he is smarter than the rest of us.


I don't know what he is beyond that, but he is no hero. If he has a valid point -- and I'm not even sure he does -- he would greatly help his cause by voluntarily coming home to face the consequences.

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Traitor, or not, spy or not--Snowden did us a great favor by revealing the extent of the surveillance. Saying it started under Bush is no excuse.
Saying all they have is phone numbers and times of calls still allows them a great deal of info. Someone wrote a pretty good piece about that, but I don't know enough key words to search it out. He said things like--you got a call from your doctor, and immediately called the AIDS hotline--think they don't know anything?
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Traitor, or not, spy or not--Snowden did us a great favor by revealing the extent of the surveillance. Saying it started under Bush is no excuse.
Saying all they have is phone numbers and times of calls still allows them a great deal of info. Someone wrote a pretty good piece about that, but I don't know enough key words to search it out. He said things like--you got a call from your doctor, and immediately called the AIDS hotline--think they don't know anything?
You would be surprised how much meta-data reveals about a person. Our lives and behavior are ruled by patterns.
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The irony here is this is the kind of stuff you expect to hear about in China or N. Korea, yet Snowden will likely end up in China to escape extradition. It seems we try so hard to set ourselves apart from these oppressive regimes; yet, we are so similar when it comes down to the basics.

Frankly, I'm begining to believe the Brits (and most other Europeans) have a lot more freedom than we do in the U.S. At the very least, they hold their elected leaders a lot more accountable than we do here.
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Hey, move to Canada. We have our own little scandle going on right now. RCMP looking into it going right to the very top. Should be interesting.

We are tollerant here. Just not that tollerant.
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You would be surprised how much meta-data reveals about a person. Our lives and behavior are ruled by patterns.
I am not comforted by that realization. I wish more of my fellow countrymen understand, and cared--instead of watching the latest reality TV.
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Hey, you know what I heard? Cheney is not in power! Really, it's true.

Obama is in power.
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