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Old 06-18-2013, 07:18 PM
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Sorry not buying it. How is wearing an NRA T-shirt in bad taste. Since when is supporting a group that supports one of our constitutional rights in bad tatse. Would it be in bad taste if the T-Shirt supported Code Pink.
Last I checked Code Pink had nothing to do with the recent school shootings; however, guns do. Was the reaction over the top? Probably so; however, it still does not excuse the parents of that child for their irresponsible action.

And just to clarify - the NRA does not claim exclusivity over the right to bear. They have their own agenda, which includes ensuring gun & ammo makers maximize profits first and foremost.

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Old 06-18-2013, 07:23 PM
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At this time the NRA represents my 2nd Amendment interest more effectively than any other organization.

I give them money.

I do not manufacture arms or ammunition.

There are about 4M people like me in the NRA. How many Episcopalians or National Organization of Women or Handgun Control or Earth First! members are there?
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Old 06-18-2013, 07:34 PM
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At this time the NRA represents my 2nd Amendment interest more effectively than any other organization.

I give them money.
Just as Code Pink does not represent the interests of everyone, neither does the NRA. However, the NRA has achieved an excellent ROI for the 4M members, as they are disproportionately represented in US politics, largely because the NRA has managed to buy off a fair amount of politicians.
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NRA is neither the problem nor the solution in my book. The US doesn't have a gun problem. It has a violence problem. The root causes of said problem are social rather than mechanical.
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Old 06-18-2013, 07:43 PM
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Last I checked Code Pink had nothing to do with the recent school shootings; however, guns do. Was the reaction over the top? Probably so; however, it still does not excuse the parents of that child for their irresponsible action.

And just to clarify - the NRA does not claim exclusivity over the right to bear. They have their own agenda, which includes ensuring gun & ammo makers maximize profits first and foremost.
Last time I checked the NRA had nothing to do with recent schools shootings. And if you want to point fingers at parents, you can start with the parents of the people who did the shootings.
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Old 06-18-2013, 07:49 PM
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NRA is neither the problem nor the solution in my book. The US doesn't have a gun problem. It has a violence problem. The root causes of said problem are social rather than mechanical.
These events only unfolded because of a stubborn kid, and a bunch of school administrators acting like kids. If the school district knows what's best for them they'll drop all charges and let this kid go back to school without any further issues. Heck, they should probably be sued for arresting him. However, the trashy parents of this kid should also be held responsible for being dumb enough to send their kid to school with an NRA shirt sporting a hunting rifle.

Common sense seems to be fast becoming a vestigial trait in the US.
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Old 06-18-2013, 08:24 PM
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You know the parents enough to call them trashy?
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Old 06-18-2013, 08:30 PM
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The issue here is not the NRA shirt. It's failing repeatedly to follow directions given to him by the adults in charge.
The boy chose not to follow the directions of a teacher, an administrator and finally a law enforcement officer.
What should the adults have done instead? Shrugged and looked at each other and said "ok go back to class"?
The cops should not have been called unless the kid became physical. He should have been expelled for the day and his parents called to come and get him.
So if there is nothing in the dress code that prevents the shirt, how is the kid at fault for failing to turn it inside out?
And still the question: why could they not just send him home? Why escalate it?

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These events only unfolded because of a stubborn kid, and a bunch of school administrators acting like kids. If the school district knows what's best for them they'll drop all charges and let this kid go back to school without any further issues. Heck, they should probably be sued for arresting him. However, the trashy parents of this kid should also be held responsible for being dumb enough to send their kid to school with an NRA shirt sporting a hunting rifle.

Common sense seems to be fast becoming a vestigial trait in the US.
You're right. You have demonstrated ZERO common sense in your post. Please, tell us EXACTLY what is wrong about his wearing that shirt? Simply because it doesn't agree with YOUR view of the world, why is YOUR view better than anyone else?

His shirt is a measure of free speech. SCOTUS has already ruled that students don't (completely) check their rights at the schoolhouse door. He's wearing a shirt that espouses a message supporting another constitutional right.

Exactly what is wrong with that? You keep assuming it's wrong and thus concluding the parents are idiots for letting him go out like that, but simply spouting your moronic conclusion does not, in fact, make it so.

Sheesh. Lack of common sense, indeed.

And before we go too far, how about the kids in California who were sent home for refusing to turn their shirts inside out? What horrific thing were they wearing?

Shirts with the US Flag on them. But it was May 5th, so it was considered insensitive to the Latino students at his school (and potentially incendiary).

There is your lack of common sense, my friend.
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Liittle Johnnie is enrolled in the public communist school system where individual expression is neither tolerated nor allowed. All shafts of wheat are to be the same height, none taller than the other.

Individual expression is a crime.
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Old 06-18-2013, 08:38 PM
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I remember when they were looking for Dorner the idiots were lighting up any truck that matched his, talk about a free fire zone!

As for the kid at least he didn't make a super deadly pop tart gun!
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If you are blond haired/blue eyed no. Oops, wait, I am getting it mixed up with that other dude. If you are on the government dole and feel like the government is here to take care of you then you are probably fine. Not directed at you PC but the general populace when I say "you".
With my annual tax liability, I fall well into the "doler" category, not the "dolee"...
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Old 06-18-2013, 08:54 PM
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I am in agreement that it seems we are living in a period of time real similar to when Hitler came into power in Germany. Just watch what happens when the hyperinflation starts.
Yep tote the party line or get arrested.

I bet if he was wearing a MAIG shirt it would have been kosher, but that's the party line...
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Old 06-18-2013, 09:29 PM
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So if there is nothing in the dress code that prevents the shirt, how is the kid at fault for failing to turn it inside out?
And still the question: why could they not just send him home? Why escalate it?

You're right. You have demonstrated ZERO common sense in your post. Please, tell us EXACTLY what is wrong about his wearing that shirt? Simply because it doesn't agree with YOUR view of the world, why is YOUR view better than anyone else?
Well my conceptually challenged friend, in case you didn't know I was not defending the school. I simply stated both the school administrators and the kid’s parents are to blame. There is nothing wrong with the shirt; however, like you said it is simply a point of view, and not everyone agrees with it. However, it represents a contentious issue – guns in school; hence the melodramatic reaction by the school district.

Let me ask you – if this was some inner city kid that was in trouble for refusing to turn his gang affiliated or graffiti shirt inside out would you have this reaction? I think not.

School administrators have to make a conscious and objective call about the appropriateness of clothing every day. This is not a simple black and white issue, but rather gray. No amount of rules, regulations or policies can cover this issue, so at some point it’s a judgment call. However, assuming the administrators respectfully asked the kid to turn his shirt inside out, he should’ve done so. He refused. They over reacted and now this issue has been blown out of proportion. However, one has to ask why did it get this far?

His parents bought him this shirt. They should have used some common sense and advised him against wearing it to school; or taught him enough so he can listen to his elders when asked to do so. If they don’t wish him to do so, then by all means they are free to home school him. It’s as simple as that.

Sorry to burst your little bubble, but this is not a conspiracy against the NRA.

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