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Skid Row Joe · #**151** 06-25-2013, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I'm not sure I follow you logic. What has my reading the bible got to do with subscribing to the beliefs outlined in it?

....I covered it in my post.

Jorn · #**152** 06-25-2013, 08:24 PM

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You too? Oh, the irony.......

It's equally hilarious to hear the LWNJ's touting christianity/religion, when in fact their very beliefs are so far from what Jesus taught.

I find this funny coming from a "christian".

Botnst · #**153** 06-25-2013, 08:47 PM

^^^ It's more than funny, it's bizarre.

Jesus was clearly a theo-communist. Everything he is quoted as saying had to do with the individual's responsibility to those less fortunate, with the bonus of God's solemn command. That trumps Karl Marx.

The epistle entitled "Acts of the Apostles" gives a fine example of a theo-communist structure. Even with divine punishment for failing the "from each according to his ability..." part.

Modern communism's only significant difference is substituting obedience to the State for obedience to God.

P.C. · #**154** 06-25-2013, 09:02 PM

Christ as a commie. That would make the Bible akin to Mao's Little Red Book...

MS Fowler · #**155** 06-25-2013, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

^^^ It's more than funny, it's bizarre.

Jesus was clearly a theo-communist. Everything he is quoted as saying had to do with the individual's responsibility to those less fortunate, with the bonus of God's solemn command. That trumps Karl Marx.

The epistle entitled "Acts of the Apostles" gives a fine example of a theo-communist structure. Even with divine punishment for failing the "from each according to his ability..." part.

Modern communism's only significant difference is substituting obedience to the State for obedience to God.

The "divine punishment" was for lying about what they gave. They were not criticized for keeping some for themselves.
The main difference was that that system was voluntary, and individual-to-individual, as needs were seen. Very different from THE STATE simply confiscating peoples' wealth to redistribute according to their whim.

kerry · #**156** 06-25-2013, 10:02 PM

I do not believe in private property « School of Christian Thought

aklim · #**157** 06-25-2013, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

....I covered it in my post.

More vague retorts? Really?

Skid Row Joe · #**158** 06-25-2013, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

More vague retorts? Really?

If you cannot understand my post, ask less vague Qs for amplification...... I could not have been more clear.

Jorn · #**159** 06-25-2013, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

If you cannot understand my post, ask less vague Qs for amplification...... I could not have been more clear.

As clear as a christian can be.

Botnst · #**160** 06-26-2013, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry

I do not believe in private property « School of Christian Thought

That is a well-written essay. It supports MS Fowler's argument about punishment of Ananias (dang), and goes far, far beyond what I knew about Biblical teaching on communal property and produce. I especially liked the references to the Prophets. Etc. Thanks.

martureo · #**161** 06-26-2013, 09:05 AM

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My apology - you're quite right about point '1'. I was generalizing and should not have. There are a lot of smaller churches that do important work - I see/hear about it almost every day in inner city LA. And you're also probably right about '2'.

I really want to believe that Jesus existed - maybe all hope is not lost for mankind.

Regarding '4' - well, I know this will get a lot of tempers flared. The very folks that are ready to dehumanize gays, declare endless wars, pratice predatory capitalism and love to shoot first then ask questions later, seem to be the people screaming the loudest about christianity/religion. As far as I recall, Jesus seemed to be a socialist, did not own a gun and accepted people from all walks of life.

Well, socialist... I guess that angle could be taken if viewed from a secular point of view. But Jesus himself was a monarch, so I don't know if whittling him down to a particular societal/governmental system is the right thing to do.

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did not own a gun

He did ask people to buy swords, but then decried a life a violence.

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and accepted people from all walks of life.

Yes, absolutely. Except He didn't accept them remaining where they were. This last part is the part people take issue with.

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BTW, I think you'll make an excellent pastor - you seem to be a level headed and patient person. I really wish you the very best!

Thanks! You're the first person on here to say anything positive about me in that regard. Usually I'm called a bigot.

martureo · #**162** 06-26-2013, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

^^^ It's more than funny, it's bizarre.

Jesus was clearly a theo-communist. Everything he is quoted as saying had to do with the individual's responsibility to those less fortunate, with the bonus of God's solemn command. That trumps Karl Marx.

The epistle entitled "Acts of the Apostles" gives a fine example of a theo-communist structure. Even with divine punishment for failing the "from each according to his ability..." part.

Whoa... hold on there. I think you've been reading your own thoughts INTO the text.

Annanias and Sapphira were killed for lying to God.

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Modern communism's only significant difference is substituting obedience to the State for obedience to God.

Edit: I see now that Fowler has already answered you. Sorry I came late to the party.

kerry · #**163** 06-26-2013, 09:15 AM

His argument that capitalist private property is not part of the Bible seems tight to me. The part about 'not enforcing' those laws seems odd and forced upon the text. In fact his main argument in defense of this part is that the law applied to rulers as well which in no way bears on the issue of whether the law should be enforced or not. I can only imagine that he's trying to avoid issue of whether these biblical economic ideas should become enforceable parts of current law. Apparently he thinks not.

martureo · #**164** 06-26-2013, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry

His argument that capitalist private property is not part of the Bible seems tight to me. The part about 'not enforcing' those laws seems odd and forced upon the text. In fact his main argument in defense of this part is that the law applied to rulers as well which in no way bears on the issue of whether the law should be enforced or not. I can only imagine that he's trying to avoid issue of whether these biblical economic ideas should become enforceable parts of current law. Apparently he thinks not.

I'd think that the author and I would agree that promoting a mindset or a subculture with this way of thinking would be the way to go. Jesus was on the earth during a period where there were non-Jewish rulers over the people (Herod/Caesar) and really any attempt to overthrow the system and reinstate a no-private-property system would end really badly.

Therefore since Jesus spoke of living a certain way under a system we should too.

greazzer · #**165** 06-26-2013, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by martureo

Well, socialist... I guess that angle could be taken if viewed from a secular point of view. But Jesus himself was a monarch, so I don't know if whittling him down to a particular societal/governmental system is the right thing to do. He did ask people to buy swords, but then decried a life a violence. Yes, absolutely. Except He didn't accept them remaining where they were. This last part is the part people take issue with.Thanks! You're the first person on here to say anything positive about me in that regard. Usually I'm called a bigot.

Not from me ! 100% on being a Pastor !!! Thank you for your present and anticipatory service spreading the Good News ! I'm a Roman Catholic as you might have guessed, but any service is great service, and I know you'll be a great sheperd for your flock ! God Bless.

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