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davidmash · #31 06-23-2013, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DslBnz

Ha ha! Good one!

No. I'm not doing anything. Not my problem. You need to do the work yourself. I'm not going to argue about this. I don't have the time. I suggest you step up to the plate and challenge somebody in a leadership role that seems knowledgeable of whatever you care about researching. If you're actually curious, which I doubt you are. Why don't you go ahead and attack them head on? At the very least, you might learn something.

Can't do it either? I have yet to find someone who could. And no I am not in the least bit curious. Prove to me that Zeus does not exist and then I will be curious.

DslBnz · #32 06-23-2013, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kmaysob

they wife loves the smell of it and if i mix her some with all the sweet flavors she will drink it

Really? Yeah...I know a couple of mormons, and they say it has something to do with the tannic acid. I have no idea if I spelled "tannic" right. Oh well.

But yeah...

Ever try to read the mormon bible? I tried like a few pages of that thing..And my eyes glazed over. Bleh. I'll get around to it one of these days. But it's really hard to understand, I need someone to explain it to me. Maybe I'll check out the mormon church for funsies? Ha ha ha!

Anyway. I've got to go to bed right now. Night guys!

DslBnz · #33 06-23-2013, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Can't do it either? I have yet to find someone who could. And no I am not in the least bit curious. Prove to me that Zeus does not exist and then I will be curious.

I didn't say I could or could not. Did I? You're just trying to bait me. Have fun with that.

alamostation · #34 06-23-2013, 02:09 AM

I think Christians get a bad rep from the 99+% or so of Christians who claim to be Christians but do not follow the teachings of Christ.

Christ had two basic lessons. Love your neighbor as you love yourself and do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Instead, So-called Christians have waqed wars against non-believers, believers of different opinions and rivals for power within the same belief.

If all Christians followed Christ's rules we would not have the KKK or Arian Nation, the Inquisition, the Hundred Years War, the Crusades or the Spanish conquests of the Americas in the way it happened. Real Christians would accept gays, minorities, and followers of other faiths who pray to the same God as equals and try to include all others by teaching rather than violence.

I am proud to say I am a Christian, but ashamed of the fact that the best Christian I know is a Muslim. He gives 10% of the gross income from his convenience store to poor people he finds driving around San Antonio. He doesn't care about color or religion, if the person is in need he is there to help.

davidmash · #35 06-23-2013, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DslBnz

I didn't say I could or could not. Did I? You're just trying to bait me. Have fun with that.

Bait you? Tad paranoid are we? I'm just asking a simple question. Answer it or don't I could care less. You are the one who argued that you had something to base your faith on and that all us atheists had was science or what you call "because it's there". So put your money where your mouth is. If you cannot prove that Zeus does not exist why on earth should I believe you when you say your god does exist? Because you say so? How is that any different from what you accuse us atheists of (other than the fact that there is scientific proof that science relies on)?

Stretch · #36 06-23-2013, 02:41 AM

I think INXS got it right.

Every single one of us has the devil inside

With the gift of self awareness comes the burden of morality and thus (the concept of) evil.

Air&Road · #37 06-23-2013, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by greazzer

Too funny .... is the forum member "condeming" someone to death OR is he pointing out that being an atheist will cause one to be another log on the fire? I know it's a petty distinction or perhaps a distinction without a difference, but I think it's important to draw out the difference. It seems as if the majority on this forum is left leaning, God bashing, and take a cheap shot at Jesus and his followers. Also, it's a tight-knit pack so to speak which seems to dog pile on those who have a different view. Then, to celebrate their intellectual superiority, they praise each other on how they "won" the debate. Suprisingly, more Christians are stepping up to the plate and professing their faith in Jesus on this forum. The current "majority" generally "win" their debates by clinging to some bizarre minor or trival point and then suckering the other forum member into some petty dispute over this minor nuance where invariably there is some sort of discrepancy. So, to make this perhaps simpler, (who ever this forum member is) is that person "condeming" someone OR is it really our Savior Jesus Christ who points out that He is the way to salvation? John 14.6. I believe in Jesus and his words, and he was very clear on this point. The current majority may not believe in God, but He believes in you so there is hope.

^^^^^^^^^^^
Outstanding analysis of what happens on the forum as well as the important Bible verse.

elchivito · #38 06-23-2013, 08:41 AM

greazzer · #39 06-23-2013, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

^^^^^^^^^^^
Outstanding analysis of what happens on the forum as well as the important Bible verse.

And ... some forum members responses are along the lines of don't play the victim card, some Christians were bad centuries ago or now, so it's open season so to speak, others play up on recent "scandals" and mockery, Christains are horrible since they seem to force their views on everyone, Christians are mindless robots, and the list goes on.

Quite the sad distractions from the simple question posed by the OP. Not only sad, but simply misplaced and not so accurate either. If there was a case for bullying, it would be the current majority and their antics. And, once the bully on the block gets shoved back a few times, well that's a different story. And, what is really, really funny is that most of those in that same crowd have such an interesting response to those comment on our illustrious commander in comic relief, or our muslim brothers who become outraged, riot, and kill Americans over silly little movie, and alike. Just seems the overall picture is folks pick their sides and nothing more. If you pick a side, don't feel compelled to bash the other side. That is what Jesus taught so to speak, but then again the current majority doesn't believe in him so it sort of makes sense ...

aklim · #40 06-23-2013, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kmaysob

they both lack one thing. how did it start? neither of us can answer that one.

I can't answer it but what does that mean? That we need to accept an answer, any answer? Why can't we have "I don't know"?

aklim · #41 06-23-2013, 11:02 AM

Condemning someone to burn in hell is basically a threat to coerce someone into believing. First off you tell him that he will be punished for his misdeeds in this world. Escaping it, he will be punished in the next world. Best case scenario, punished once. Worst case, twice.

How to get him to believe that tripe? Scare him again into the idea that by not believing, and thus following, he will burn. Next comes the "What do you have to lose? If you believe and you are wrong, nothing happens. If you don't believe and you are wrong, wait for it,,,,, wait for it,,,,,, you burn in hell."

What this states is that the deity is so desperate for accolades that he will accept "belief thru fear". That or he/she/it doesn't know the difference. Is it worthwhile to work with such a deity?

Brian Carlton · #42 06-23-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by greazzer

Quite the sad distractions from the simple question posed by the OP. Not only sad, but simply misplaced and not so accurate either. If there was a case for bullying, it would be the current majority and their antics. And, once the bully on the block gets shoved back a few times, well that's a different story. And, what is really, really funny is that most of those in that same crowd have such an interesting response to those comment on our illustrious commander in comic relief, or our muslim brothers who become outraged, riot, and kill Americans over silly little movie, and alike. .

Mind citing one member on this thread that fits the "bully on the block" or "quite sad distractions" or the "current majority and their antics"?

And, can you also cite those in the "same crowd that have such an interesting response to those comment (sic) on our illustrious commander in comic relief..........."

If you can, I'd like to see chapter and verse, because other than "el", there isn't a single post that I can find that supports your statements above.

A bit of paranoia there?

elchivito · #43 06-23-2013, 11:20 AM

The "war on christianity" is a hoot isn't it?

t walgamuth · #44 06-23-2013, 11:21 AM

I guess its real in some peoples minds.

davidmash · #45 06-23-2013, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by greazzer

And ... some forum members responses are along the lines of don't play the victim card, some Christians were bad centuries ago or now, so it's open season so to speak, others play up on recent "scandals" and mockery, Christains are horrible since they seem to force their views on everyone, Christians are mindless robots, and the list goes on.

Quite the sad distractions from the simple question posed by the OP. Not only sad, but simply misplaced and not so accurate either. If there was a case for bullying, it would be the current majority and their antics. And, once the bully on the block gets shoved back a few times, well that's a different story. And, what is really, really funny is that most of those in that same crowd have such an interesting response to those comment on our illustrious commander in comic relief, or our muslim brothers who become outraged, riot, and kill Americans over silly little movie, and alike. Just seems the overall picture is folks pick their sides and nothing more. If you pick a side, don't feel compelled to bash the other side. That is what Jesus taught so to speak, but then again the current majority doesn't believe in him so it sort of makes sense ...

You know, you are so right. I must apologize. It's not as if Christianity has been anything less than unfair to all other faiths (they have done the same). It s not as if Christianity has ever tried or still tries to force it's self into the public sector. It is not as if Christianity does not try and influence politics and the law to try and ban things that they find offensive but have nothing to do with them. It's not as if they have not or still continue to try and influence how science is taught in public schools.

Play the poor pitiful victim all you want. You made your bed not you can sleep in it. Don't think you can threaten me with eternal punishment and have me roll over and accept it. Don't think you can put up your religious displays on public lands that my tax dollars help fund and have me keep quiet about it. Do not think that you can try and force your religious beliefs into the public school system that my money helps fund and not get any push back.

Cry all you want but be aware that we will not remain quiet any more.

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