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Greatest loss of firefighters since 9/11
19 hotshots dead in 8000 acre Yarnell Hill Fire. Half the town is gone. Zero containment.
The Granite Mountain Hotshots are all guys in their 20s who have earned a nationwide reputation for their firefighting ability. http://www.azcentral.com/news/arizona/articles/20130630crews-fighting-small-fires-around-Arizona.html
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Saw it on the news this morning. So tragic. A great loss to their families, station, and community.
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What is the strategy for fighting these types of fires on the ground? Do they work their way in from the periphery? If so, who is watching their back to ensure that the fire doesn't come up behind them?
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damn shame. RIP
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It is a dangerous job and my hat is off to anyone who fights fires. May they rest in peace.
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My condolences to their friends and family. Fire fighting is a dangerous business. Apparently the ones in the forest are worse than most.
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Awful, awful tragedy. Arguably the best-trained for that kind of situation, and it still caught them by surprise. My thoughts and prayers are with their friends and families, and of course the community. What a horrific loss all the way around.
On a personal note, the ride up through Yarnell and the back way to Prescott is a favorite of VOTS motorcyclists, or at least it was when I lived there. Long morning ride, have lunch in Prescott, head home on the interstate. The worst thing about that ride was the cops, though, and certainly a route to avoid if it's winter. I won't ever again think of Yarnell the same way. |
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Ugly, sh**ty thing to happen in a beautiful part of the country. Condolences to their families and friends.
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In the late afternoon there was localized monsoonal wind activity. Early reports are that the wind did a 180 on them in seconds, driving the fire right back and over them. Most of them had time to deploy their fire shelters but those things are only good to about 5-600 degrees before they begin to delaminate, plus they can't withstand direct flame. More suited to canopy fires in tall timber where the fire is racing overhead than the kind of low level brushy wildfire in this case. I had to go to Prescott today, we saw the motorcade carrying the bodies down to the medical examiner's office in Phoenix. July 4 is Prescott's biggest week, the whole town was subdued and pretty quiet.
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A bigger question is this: Why do we fight fires? They will go out on their own with or without human interference. |
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The colloquial name for an emergency fire shelter is a, "shake-and-bake." When conditions are so bad you deploy that, your chances of survival are just a bit better than certain death.
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One of my colleagues bought a retirement home up in Yarnell a decade ago with her inlaws. She found out this afternoon that it has escaped the fire. Just. House three doors down is gone. They and their immediate neighbors had been doing a lot of fuel clearing and rocking large areas around their houses. Looks like that might have paid off. Others had not done so and the area is full of tinder dry undergrowth, pine trees up against houses and hundred year old oaks etc. Unfortunately quite literally fuel for the fire. I'm afraid after the century of human meddling in wilderness management this county is likely to see much of the west continue to burn for decades to come in major conflagrations that are uncontrollable and will reshape the landscape in many ways.
- Peter.
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