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Old 07-28-2013, 06:53 PM
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…not my conversation but I wanted to point out for the gang that about 40% of the roughly 2.1 million people incarcerated in the US are black. That is primary evidence that indicates an overwhelming conviction rate bias.

Roughly 12.5% of the US population is black.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-American_males
Is skin color the reason each individual was convicted? Does the tail wag the dog?

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Old 07-28-2013, 06:58 PM
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So now the whole judicial system is racist. Gotcha.
Really? That's your argument?
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:01 PM
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Perhaps, if we look at it through the narrow lens of race, without considering other issues that likely contribute.

Be that as it may, I think drug laws in general are wrongheaded and counterproductive. Incarceration does not improve the lives of the convicts or the community into which they will return, with their very own felony conviction to follow them the rest of their lives.

IMO, focusing strictly on the racial aspect is to stumble on a minor point rather than notice the precipice over which we have been, and are currently throwing, hundreds of thousands of people, perhaps millions.
The situation is way too complicated for me to say anything intelligent about causes and effects beyond what I contend is the obvious: The system is punishing generation after generation of black families.
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:11 PM
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Really? That's your argument?

Nope. Just pointing out the ridiculousness of it.

Color has nothing to do with it. Hopelessness does. Raised on the streets without a father figure and no one to look up to but idiot thugs. Should be blaming the system at the source, not at incarceration.

Half baked education system, corrupt local governments and failure of policies. It takes a lot more then feel good laws, it takes the direct communities involvement.

Welfare is not the answer. Make it lucrative for legit business to move there without union or government leeching them dry. Let the communities grow from within.
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:16 PM
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So now the whole judicial system is racist. Gotcha.
Did I say that?

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Nope. Just pointing out the ridiculousness of it.

Color has nothing to do with it. Hopelessness does. Raised on the streets without a father figure and no one to look up to but idiot thugs. Should be blaming the system at the source, not at incarceration.

Half baked education system, corrupt local governments and failure of policies. It takes a lot more then feel good laws, it takes the direct communities involvement.

Welfare is not the answer. Make it lucrative for legit business to move there without union or government leeching them dry. Let the communities grow from within.
Drugs dealers are no idiot thugs, the contrary I would say. They see an opportunity and grab it, unfortunately for most of them it's the only opportunity they can see. It's the American dream, capitalism at work: supply and demand, trickle down effect.
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:20 PM
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I read that it is believed that there was a movement to incarcerate more for crimes that primarily involve black and poor people so they could not vote.
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:24 PM
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I read that it is believed that there was a movement to incarcerate more for crimes that primarily involve black and poor people so they could not vote.

Nominated for the most ridiculous stretch of the week.

I heard a blind man reading a bumper sticker about how everything that I dont agree with is racist. or something like that.
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I read that it is believed that there was a movement to incarcerate more for crimes that primarily involve black and poor people so they could not vote.
Poor people vote hardly anyway, why put them in jail?
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:46 PM
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Poor people vote hardly anyway, why put them in jail?
That's true but don't tell the Rs.

But a lot of black folks came out and voted for Barak who never voted before. I know numerous blacks who never used to vote. they figured it didn't matter who won they would get screwed over.
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:57 PM
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The punishment for dealing or smoking crack cocaine is more severe than the punishment for drugs used by mostly white people like cocaine, speed and prescription drugs.

The crack cocaine epidemic was blown out of proportions when TV started to show the crack babies in the eighties, the public got outraged and demanded stiffer punishment and as a result lawmakers set mandatory minimum prison terms for selling crack cocaine. It's one of the reasons blacks are over presented in jails and seen by some as proof of a "racist" court system.

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Okay. I believe you.

So what?

The problem isn't that different drugs have different laws governing their use.

The problem is drug laws.
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:58 PM
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…not my conversation but I wanted to point out for the gang that about 40% of the roughly 2.1 million people incarcerated in the US are black. That is primary evidence that indicates an overwhelming conviction rate bias.

Roughly 12.5% of the US population is black.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-American_males
No, it indicates a high proportion of people who are arrested for drugs are black. It does not ptove that they were arrested for drugs BECAUSE they were black.

Correlation is not causation.
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:59 PM
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The situation is way too complicated for me to say anything intelligent about causes and effects beyond what I contend is the obvious: The system is punishing generation after generation of black families.
... and white families.

Correlation is not causation.
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Old 07-28-2013, 08:00 PM
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That's true but don't tell the Rs.

But a lot of black folks came out and voted for Barak who never voted before. I know numerous blacks who never used to vote. they figured it didn't matter who won they would get screwed over.
Voting for race.

Forward.
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Old 07-28-2013, 08:25 PM
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If you view every thru the lens of racism, all you see will be racism. Its like a color filter that allows only light of a certain wavelength to come thru the lens.
Look to other factors---maybe even unpopular ones dating back to the days of Woodrow Wilson ( Our first racist President) Margret Sanger, and the Progressive movement. I know its tough, especially when you came thru school, and you were being so revolutionary and were taught that White racism was the cause of all that was evil. Consider that you might have been mis-educated.
as Bot is fond of reminding us, correlation is NOT causation-- I get up every morning, and THEN the sun rises.
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Okay. I believe you.

So what?

The problem isn't that different drugs have different laws governing their use.

The problem is drug laws.
That's what my post shows.

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