The Amash Amendment would have defunded widespread NSA domestic surveillance, except for people already under suspicion. It failed in the House last night, but the vote was damned close (heartening in a way). 205 honest legislators to 217 traitors. Here's the roll call. When House elections come around, remember this list well and vote accordingly...

Amash Amendment On NSA Data Collection: House Roll Call Vote

Do you REALLY believe that the bozo's in DC can defund ANYTHING. They are spending OUR money like a teenage girl with Daddy's credit card to buy votes for themselves. They don't GAS about the people of this country. NONE OF THEM DO!

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Assuming it were passed, I'm sure that the NSA could have drawn funds from "black sources", but if the activity was specifically unauthorized by Congress, it would have made it more clear that the activity was illegal.

The GOP sided with Obama and Nancy Pelosi sided with the GOP. Go figure.

"Traitor" seems a bit strong.

I'll go with traitor. what else would you call a representative of the people who betrays them?

The enemies of the US want it destroyed from within, for us to go mindless with fear and vote the freedoms that make this country great away. Enabling this to actually happen ("giving them aid") is treason in my book.

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If you believe that, you need to stop and take a hard look at the new US. It is now FILLED with NUMEROUS traitorous goings on. Of course, the average Joe doesn't know it. One reason is that the corrupt and biased news media consuming news time with George Zimmerman and Baby King Bull Shlt news instead of honestly reporting the important facts of what is going on in our rapidly decaying America.

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If our only choices were the Amash Amendment or going mindless with fear, then I would agree with you. I'm pretty sure there are other ways to skin this cat. Security and liberty are often at odds. That our national security agencies are making some false steps in this time of great change should be no surprise. I don't know the answer, but the Amash Amendment looks like an attempt to do brain surgery with a chain saw. Just because someone prefers a different approach does not mean he or she is a traitor, IMHO.

No: gathering 99% of phone network users' personal information and treating everyone in the US as if they were under suspicion is doing brain surgery with a chain saw. The data should stay with the individual companies unless an item is specifically requested, and there should be strict time limits for the companies keeping the data if it has NOT been requested. The former is what the Amash Amendment would have done.

Americans are generally mindless with fear. Look at the number of guns we own (to supposedly protect against crime), the majority's blind acceptance of PATRIOT Act, torture, and invasion of Iraq, our Draconian sentencing laws as compared to other countries.

Violating long-standing liberties because of ONE incident 12 years ago where one-tenth the number of people who die in traffic every year perished is frankly retarded. Times are NOT more dangerous than they were 50 or even 100 years ago. Just because we now have the technical capability to monitor everything and archive a crapload of data in one place doesn't mean we should.

That is a strong argument, but those who disagree with you also want to protect the country. They may be misguided, but they are not traitors.

That's like saying that a serial killer with a legitimate gripe is only misguided, and not a criminal. One can be both.

That's a weak analogy. What do you mean by "legitimate gripe"? I'm having a hard time analogizing a difference of opinion on national security with being a serial killer.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

That is the plain text. From, if you will, the master rulebook for this country. A large bunch of us consider the spying by the NSA to be a violation of that rule. Either you uphold the constitution or you do not. Most people would consider me to be a conservative, from the right-hand side of the aisle. Yet, I still consider the most of Patriot Act and the actions it has spawned to be illegal under the constitution. Yes, I think people who permit it are traitors. Not by intent per se, but by misguided (at best) actions. Some, I suspect, really are flat out for all kinds of spying on the citizens and don't care one bit where the constitution permits it or not.

A very well put statement if it didn't come from the guy who feels that rules should be enforced as one feels necessary or ignored when it is, in their opinion, not good. Now suddenly, you feel that by ignoring the rules and laws, it is traitorous because they felt it was necessary and you don't like it. Principles can be inconvenient, at times, no?

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