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Old 09-19-2013, 03:14 PM
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I hope that you realize that all the open carry parties are simple societal backlash to the petulant frenzy perpetuated by anti-gun people....push on people long enough, they push back
If you want to wander around suburbia with a pistol on your hip, knock yourself out. If a company says you can patronize their business, but leave your Ruger at home, you can either agree to the condition or not. I have to imagine that a large company like Starbucks analyzed the pros and cons of implementing the policy before doing so.

Like it or not, a lot of people who witness civilians engaging in open carry in non-wilderness areas wonder if said civilian might be playing with 52 cards short of a deck. Makes them uncomfortable...

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Old 09-19-2013, 03:15 PM
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....push on people long enough, they push back
oh, so it's an escalation thing . . . which stops at . . .
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Old 09-19-2013, 03:17 PM
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If you want to wander around suburbia with a pistol on your hip, knock yourself out. If a company says you can patronize their business, but leave your Ruger at home, you can either agree to the condition or not. I have to imagine that a large company like Starbucks analyzed the pros and cons of implementing the policy before doing so.

Like it or not, a lot of people who witness civilians engaging in open carry in non-wilderness areas wonder if said civilian might be playing with 52 cards short of a deck. Makes them uncomfortable...
I occasionally open carry when riding my motorcycle, it is more comfortable than the concealed holster I have and it is legal in my state.

I agree companies can implement any policy they wish, but it's people's right to stay away from said business.
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oh, so it's an escalation thing . . . which stops at . . .
Signs on every street corner stating that you cannot leave your house with anything more lethal than a butter knife, countered by babies in strollers who are geared up like Yosemite Sam...
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oh, so it's an escalation thing . . . which stops at . . .
well, depends on what actions the antis take.
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Old 09-19-2013, 03:24 PM
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well, depends on what actions the antis take.
Does the stand your ground law work in a Starbucks?

Maybe they need guns in Starbucks to take care of line cutters - especially if there's only one slice of coffee cake remaining.
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Old 09-19-2013, 03:25 PM
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So your wife suffers because of your petulance? Compromise and just patronize the drive-through.

Not that it's any of your fawking business, but my wife feels pretty much the same way about it that I do. She won't be darkening the door of this liberal outfit any more either.

Sorry to get in the way of your goading and baiting.

What sort of work do you do? Or for that matter, do you have a job? What are some of your personal interests? Which end of what country do you live in? What is it that you have to hide about yourself?
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Old 09-19-2013, 03:27 PM
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Not that it's any of your fawking business, but my wife feels pretty much the same way about it that I do. She won't be darkening the door of this liberal outfit any more either.

Sorry to get in the way of your goading and baiting.

What sort of work do you do? Or for that matter, do you have a job? What are some of your personal interests? Which end of what country do you live in? What is it that you have to hide about yourself?
It's not a goad and bait - it's a reasonable compromise. You can stay in your car with your gun in your hand and safely place and receive your order. Your wife is probably just trying to appease you. I'm sure that if you treat your wife to her favorite Starbucks beverage today, she would appreciate it.
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Your wife is probably just trying to appease you. I'm sure that if you treat your wife to her favorite Starbucks beverage today, she would appreciate it.

You know nothing about my wife, how about yours? Are you married? What is it that you have to hide?
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Old 09-19-2013, 03:31 PM
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You know nothing about my wife, how about yours? Are you married? What is it that you have to hide?
Just buy your wife a cup of tea today. Do the selfless thing.
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As a CEO, he has the right to think and say whatever he pleases. If he were smart though, he would think about it long and hard before allowing his personal beliefs effect his business.

Just as he has the right to think and say what he chooses, I have the right to not do business there any longer.

He can kiss my a$$.
Given the politicization of the issue by the open carry crowd I think Schultz was perfectly reasonable in his request. I have over thirty guns myself but I don't find it necessary to carry any of them into a Starbucks, or any business for that matter. If I were genuinely concerned about my safety I would carry one concealed anyway, (as I used to do many years ago) never openly. Obviously people who have concealed guns have patronized and will continue to patronize Starbucks. But if the kinds of nuts like that idiot with the AR15 in that picture think they are doing the 2nd amendment any good they deserve a hefty kick in the ass.

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I don't carry either, but when some liberal bastard is so stupid as to make it known that he is not in favor of my constitutional rights, then I don't do business with him anymore.

He just needs to STFU instead of jeopardizing his business and thus the jobs of his employees.
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Old 09-19-2013, 03:39 PM
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I don't carry either, but when some liberal bastard is so stupid as to make it known that he is not in favor of my constitutional rights, then I don't do business with him anymore.

He just needs to STFU instead of jeopardizing his business and thus the jobs of his employees.
He should have kept that national policy a secret instead of allowing the public to learn about it.
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Old 09-19-2013, 03:44 PM
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I don't carry either, but when some liberal bastard is so stupid as to make it known that he is not in favor of my constitutional rights, then I don't do business with him anymore.

He just needs to STFU instead of jeopardizing his business and thus the jobs of his employees.
If anything I think you're quite the naive one here. Starbucks is not your mom & pop small town diner that will shut down because gun people will boycott them.

They must've done some kind of a SWOT analysis and deteremined the strategic benefit far outweighs the reputation risk (among a group of fringe gun nuts).
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Old 09-19-2013, 03:50 PM
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I don't carry either, but when some liberal bastard is so stupid as to make it known that he is not in favor of my constitutional rights, then I don't do business with him anymore.

He just needs to STFU instead of jeopardizing his business and thus the jobs of his employees.
I think you over estimate just how many people feel the need to open carry in a starbucks.

Sounds like recently starbucks has gained a whole crowd or otherwise non regular customers who were there only to display their open carry weapons for political reasons. I have no doubt that this trend of gathering to display firearms is actually a negative for starbucks regular customers, who want to drink their coffee and surf the internet in peace with no weapons being waved around.

This rule will probably result in more starbucks business, and get rid of rabid open carry people who are not usually regular customers anyway.

you'll get over it. Im sure starbucks will be fine without your patronage for a few weeks until the wife goes in there anyway to grab her usual.

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