But but...it's the constitution! Do you guys even care about freedom and america?

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I agree with all of that except the part where you say there is no challenge to first amendment rights. The laws that keep me from coming on your property and distributing pamphlets absolutely limits my 1st Amendment rights, but none of these rights are absolute. In your illustration, your property rights far outweigh my 1st Amendment rights.

In the college kid/pamphlet context, it sounds like the college's right to maintain order on its campus probably prevails. I just don't see it as black and white. And I sure as heck don't see the supposed PC problem suggested by the thread title.

I would have stood up for the Das Capital dude too. Free speech is free speech. WTF is up with you guys? Didn't y'all ever protest for or against something while at college? Did you give a **** about the rules?

The PC issues come from college speech codes and suppression of expression. I could change the title to "Asshat college oppresses free speech advocate" that any better for y'all hung up on the freaking title?

Where's your evidence of that happening in this case?Much better.

Sure, but you had to understand that you were taking a risk of being detained or incarcerated.
I think it's great that the kid wanted to hand out the Constitution, and maybe he was even working on a real life demonstration of how different rights interact and are applied. Would be a fine piece of performance study, and probably get him an A if he turns the entire event into a position paper.

That being said, the university has every right to keep people without prior approval from distributing literature on their property.

Maybe he should have handed them out at a Starbucks...

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Typically 'sidewalks' are considered public property which is how I am using the term here. SO he was on school property not public property so the ACLU quote has no relevance here.

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At the University I attended if you wanted to pass out info all you had to do was notify the Student Affairs office. They would print up posters and run ads on the school radio station about your upcoming give away.

There was no subject that was off limits. You could do a stand-up routine if you wished and some people did. You could pass out Nazi flyers or be a Flaming Drag Queen. It was all up to you.

But passing out info without notification? You were usually hit with trespassing.

Why? Because if you thought you had something others should see you should be willing to put your name behind it. If you just start passing out flyers and then run for the hills when the security guards showed up you must not be willing to stand behind what you are preaching.

Rules are rules and if you violate them you should expect the school to come down on you.

And that is regardless of what you are pushing.

I protested at the local Draft Board about three times a week. I would simply walk in and ask for the latest rulings by the national board in DC.

The hostility I encountered there was staggering. I was accused of being the worst sort of person by everyone there because I was seeking public information that they, by law, were supposed to post on the boards outside the office but never did. They claimed I only wanted the info so I could dodge the draft, but I just asked them if the law required them to furnish the rulings and they had to admit that it did.

So I just kept showing up and asking for the rulings. I did this every week for two years. It got so that my just walking into the office would cause several of those there to go into a screaming frenzy.

And I would just nicely ask for the rulings.

I was tossed out by the police, so I called the police and requested an escort into the building and they provided one.

And I just asked for the rulings.

I finally quit when I received a deferment through my Congressman, but that's another story and a long one.

Was I protesting? I was forcing them to do their job, so maybe I was protesting lazy government workers.

Why, I know your type....one of those Pinkos!

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This has been an interesting thread.
When I first heard the news item, I had one opinion. Having read this discussion, I now have another opinion. I am so confused. Thanks...

I think the nut of the argument resolves to from where do our RIGHTS come?
If from government--then government can and should regulate them.
If from our Creator--then they are not under government control.
Yet, we must live in an orderly society--even the enumerated RIGHTS are capable of misuse--take the oft-quoted prohibition of yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater. So where do we draw the line, and on what is that based?

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Maybe we should bow our heads and pray for guidance.
Or something.

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Some say "the line" is clear and never changing, while to others it is dynamic. History seems to side on the belief that it is dynamic.

My right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins.

Your free speech and 1st amendment rights are superseded by my rights as a property owner.
If the kid wanted to hand out the Constitution (or anything else for that matter) on public property, I would be the first to support his right to do so.
Handing them out on private property is at the discretion of the property owner.


I finally watched some of the clip.... the kid is a douche bag who obviously went out intending to create a scene.
Hidden camera, youtubing *uckhead. Bet he was hoping he would get tazed on camera.
Too bad he didn't would have made the video enjoyable.

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