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Jim B. · #61 09-28-2013, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I don't follow. IIRC, the DNR in WI hired sharpshooters to decimate what they thought was a CWD issue (another story). Thought some were in helicopters. I didn't look but isn't it legal in Alaska and supposed to be for thinning out the herd of wolves killing livestock? Are you saying she was poaching or tagged along with the program to kill wolves that was legal?

She was doing it for sheer FUN, it looked like to me. Not a great leap of imagination to see her as President "thinning the herd" of undesirable Pakistanis in Jalalabad the same way.

In "Private Eye" (a British satire magazine), someone quipped "Kill a towelhead and win a free trip to Disneyworld".

Bad choice fpr President.

aklim · #62 09-28-2013, 09:10 AM

Not sure what the animosity towards baiting is. I know they hunt bear with dogs or bait. I know we fish with bait or some attractant. I know we stalk the path where the animal is likely to go (because of some natural source of food or water). I talked to guides and they tell me that you bait and sometimes it hits, sometimes not although more likely it hits.

How do you draw the line between hunting and harvesting? Is it some arbitrary line that someone draws or what? I know we hunt with rifles which gives us the ability to reach out and touch something and thus increases our odds. We wear scent nullifiers to get them closer. We rattle horns and put doe piss to draw them in. We also shoot them with arrows. So what confuses me is how we draw the line?

I know the DNR decides something is too effective and doesn't want the herd decimated so they limit say the crossbow to only medically disabled people. They allow hunts and bag limits. How do we as an individual make that decision? I know I make my decision by what is legal followed by what I can afford (money and time). How do people decide "This is real hunting" and "This is not real hunting"?

aklim · #63 09-28-2013, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

But you didn't bother to ask what kind of property I was hunting on before firing off your missive, now did you?
Just lead with an assumption and an insult....

Ok, so you're too weak and timid to climb trees, got it. But you are plenty capable of calling the cops....

I hunt on private land, or very far out of the way on public land, (I am not a fan of typical hunters, most of them are irritating douche bags who shoot at noises) Attempting to get an DOW officer out where I hunt would be next to impossible, and I've never seen a department that had the available resources to handle such a thing, even if they were inclined to make the effort.

So, you are a baiter.... and apparently one who gets his undies in a bunch when he gets his $hitty, insulting and condescending attitude thrown back in his face....got it.

Have a nice day, Mr Big Hunter.

Did you? Mr Pot?

I don't like being up there. I don't feel comfortable with heights. Again, what about it? As to calling the DNR, that is what they are there for. I'm not as stupid as you to risk a dispute with someone else and get shot. If you are, more power to you. Again, I am NOT the JUDGE, JURY or EXECUTIONER. That is what they are there for.

So IF someone else were to say that they lived far out where cops cannot get to, you advocate that they can take the law into their own hands? Or is it only if it is you?

What is it you suggest? Go hunt in the desert? I hunt where I have permission. I find where there are trails. Trails usually lead to some food, water or shelter.

I'd wish the same but it'd be a lie.

aklim · #64 09-28-2013, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

She was doing it for sheer FUN, it looked like to me. Not a great leap of imagination to see her as President "thinning the herd" of undesirable Pakistanis in Jalalabad the same way.

Bad choice fpr President.

And? As long as she is doing something legal that she enjoys, I have no issue. If it were illegal, I can see your point. I wouldn't be spending money and more importantly my time in a helicopter, an unstable platform, trying to shoot a moving target for my own reasons but as long as it is legal, I don't want to hang someone for it.

My reason is that she quit her post for no reason and it reflects on how she will be as a VP. IF this is the only reason you have, that she enjoys LEGAL killing, it seems a little trumped up to me.

cmbdiesel · #65 09-28-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Did you? Mr Pot?

I don't like being up there. I don't feel comfortable with heights. Again, what about it? As to calling the DNR, that is what they are there for. I'm not as stupid as you to risk a dispute with someone else and get shot. If you are, more power to you. Again, I am NOT the JUDGE, JURY or EXECUTIONER. That is what they are there for.

So IF someone else were to say that they lived far out where cops cannot get to, you advocate that they can take the law into their own hands? Or is it only if it is you?

What is it you suggest? Go hunt in the desert? I hunt where I have permission. I find where there are trails. Trails usually lead to some food, water or shelter.

I'd wish the same but it'd be a lie.

Noise....

You posted a bunch of insulting crap and can't take the response...
Too bad.

So you're a baiter who can't climb and has to rely on the government agents to right any wrong he sees because the lack of spine precludes doing the right thing when the opportunity arises.
Got it.

As to your other far fetched what-if scenarios, maybe someone else will play your little word twisting game, I'm not interested.

aklim · #66 09-28-2013, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Noise....

You posted a bunch of insulting crap and can't take the response...
Too bad.

So you're a baiter who can't climb

and has to rely on the government agents to right any wrong he sees because the lack of spine precludes doing the right thing when the opportunity arises.
Got it.

As to your other far fetched what-if scenarios, maybe someone else will play your little word twisting game, I'm not interested.

So was your crap.

it will take more than someone like you.

I think you confused the idea of "I don't like heights" with "I can't climb". If your money was where your mouth is, I'd climb that tree for hunting purposes. Doesn't mean I like it. What is the definition of "bait"?

OK. So as I asked specifically. Are YOU the only one who can do this independent action based on what YOU feel is right or can anyone? AFAIK, the law doesn't allow me to take matters into my own hands. What is YOUR principle? BTW, that is what the cop who cited me for moving the flat tired trailer that rolled too close to the road and my wife might hit it when she came home, told me. "You DON'T have the authority to move other people's stuff.". Perhaps you know more about the law than he does or my attorney but that is pretty much what they advised me to do. Again, maybe in 20 years, things have changed. IDK.

What far fetched scenarios? Where is it you suggest I hunt? I only hear the mouth but no real suggestions. I hunt where the animal is likely to pass. Be it near a field, stream or bedding area, usually on a trail. You simply cannot answer a question without tipping your self righteous hand so you say it is far fetched.

cmac2012 · #67 09-28-2013, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Medmech

Yes and yes, giraffe and rest area. Both stuffed and mounted.

ruchase · #68 09-28-2013, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

She was doing it for sheer FUN, it looked like to me. Not a great leap of imagination to see her as President "thinning the herd" of undesirable Pakistanis in Jalalabad the same way.

In "Private Eye" (a British satire magazine), someone quipped "Kill a towelhead and win a free trip to Disneyworld".

Bad choice fpr President.

Amen!

cmbdiesel · #69 09-28-2013, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

OK. So as I asked specifically. Are YOU the only one who can do this independent action based on what YOU feel is right or can anyone? AFAIK, the law doesn't allow me to take matters into my own hands. What is YOUR principle? BTW, that is what the cop who cited me for moving the flat tired trailer that rolled too close to the road and my wife might hit it when she came home, told me. "You DON'T have the authority to move other people's stuff.". Perhaps you know more about the law than he does or my attorney but that is pretty much what they advised me to do. Again, maybe in 20 years, things have changed. IDK.

I believe that anyone who sees illegal stands and bait piles has not only the right, but the responsibility to take them down and scatter the remains. It's a public service. If said items are found upon private land, then it is part of good stewardship.
Moving someone else's trailer is in no way even remotely the same issue.
But, I'm guessing you know that, especially after being cited for it...
The DOW officers with whom I've spoken have all agreed that my approach is not only legal but is appreciated.

YMMV

Hatterasguy · #70 09-28-2013, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I didn't watch the whole thing - don't want to run out of data - what do they do with the carcasses? Hog hunting sounds like a great idea to me. Their numbers are exploding, hunting may only slow it somewhat. I saw some hunters on telly using a net shooting gun from choppers. If they catch them live, they can feed them for a while to get the gamey taste out and then sell freshly slaughter pork. I've heard it's tasty, never tried it. One of the highest yield areas for hogs in Cal is within 30 miles of me, just east of San Jose.

My buddy and I keep saying we're going to go hunting. Year round season.

I don't know what they do with the dead hogs. But its a great way to get rid of a damaging invasive species and let the locals make a few bucks doing it at the same time.

Its like deer around here, massive population and no predators.

aklim · #71 09-28-2013, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

I believe that anyone who sees illegal stands and bait piles has not only the right, but the responsibility to take them down and scatter the remains. It's a public service. If said items are found upon private land, then it is part of good stewardship.

Moving someone else's trailer is in no way even remotely the same issue.
But, I'm guessing you know that, especially after being cited for it...

The DOW officers with whom I've spoken have all agreed that my approach is not only legal but is appreciated.

YMMV

I have learned not to move anything that doesn't belong to me unless authorized. If you want to risk any confrontation, works for me. Up north, there was a Hmong guy that claimed he was harassed or something and shot up 7 or 8 guys. Even when we were checked by the DNR, they were smart enough to make sure that we walked in front with their hands on their guns and our guns unloaded. If someone is going to get shot, I'd rather it be them. I value MY skin a lot more than their skin. If there is ANY issue, I'd rather not be bothered by having to explain myself. I made the phone call, they can do the dirty work and risk their necks. I don't even have to explain why I did what I did.

I moved it because it was a hazard. The wife isn't that good in night driving. Oh, what the hell. She SUCKS at it and we try to avoid having her drive at night. Guy came back and accused me of trying to steal his trailer and his tools that were not there even. Cop came, I told her what happened. 2 days later, I she returned with a ticket for us. I got mine and he got his. Could someone else hit it? Sure. Cop even said so. Was I doing a public service by removing a hazard on the road? Maybe but as she said, "Next time call the police" or words to that effect.

Based on what the cop and my lawyer told me, I shouldn't do it. Might be the DOW there allows it. IDK. I know if nothing goes wrong, it is appreciated by the DOW because they don't have to do it and risk their necks. While I agree it might be a public service, it is, to me, a thankless task and my neck being stuck out so I'll pass. They are paid to get shot if it happens. I'm NOT. As much as I try to practice good habits, I don't risk my neck for anyone but me or the wife and my dogs as a rule.

aklim · #72 09-28-2013, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

I don't know what they do with the dead hogs.

Eat them perhaps? Unless paid to remove them, I don't simply shoot 5 deer if I only need one. In fact, everytime I hunt or fish, I make sure there is someone that might want meat since the wife doesn't eat wild game. Not to mention, it build up their appreciation for me especially when I ask for favors.

cmac2012 · #73 09-29-2013, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

I don't know what they do with the dead hogs. But its a great way to get rid of a damaging invasive species and let the locals make a few bucks doing it at the same time.

Its like deer around here, massive population and no predators.

I saw an episode about hunting hogs in Texas. They said that in Texas there are two categories for landowners: those who have hog problems and those who will. On the show they were catching them alive. Yields much better quality meat I gather, and it only makes sense. What I would love to know is: how many man hours does it take to catch each live hog? It's probably less expensive than the copter shoots but I have no way of knowing beyond WAG at this point.

Given the horrors of the US pork industry, actually harvesting enough wild hogs to put a small dent in the market and stopping or slowing the wild hog population explosion in the meantime sounds attractive. This is the game hunters should go after. Would get the hunting Jones a workout and do serious public good at the same time.

Seems in the aerial shoot they could have an adjunct biz that gathered the carcasses quickly. With GPS it'd be easy.

I gather that you can't use dogs to hunt hogs in CA. Makes no sense to me. They're all but vermin. With dogs (wearing Kevlar vests, I'm not joking) they can bring in live hogs. Hogs are supposed to be hard to hunt on foot. They can remember an individual hunter's smell. They learn to avoid heavily hunted areas.

Botnst · #74 09-29-2013, 05:13 PM

Dick Cheney shot a lobbyist one time. Dunno if he mounted him.

elchivito · #75 09-29-2013, 06:56 PM

He mighta mounted him before he shot him.

Baiting game is illegal in AZ and I'm glad it is.
I can understand baiting deer in Eastern areas where they're out of control, but it makes a lot more sense to me to call it harvesting. It is by no reasonable definition "hunting". Sometimes words have meaning.