Not to split hairs but the paralyzed guy wasn't the one who did the brake checking. That fellow had minor injuries. I've read accounts that have it that no one was getting violent with Lien before he took off. But still, to expect Lien to sit tight while the flash mob of bikers explained their version of justice to him, while surrounding him was just whack. I would not have walked in front of the vehicle.

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My point is: If the by-stander...who just happened to be part of the 'biker' crew had not of stopped..he would not have been hit by the fleeing vehicle.

He made himself the Master of his own Destiny the moment he attempted to block the four wheeler.

Dude could have just kept on truckin...but he couldn't do that...so, IMHO he gets what he deserves.

Pure speculation, but...given the excitement of the events..it is certainly likely that the guy who was paralyzed would have helped do a Reginald Denney on Lein, if Lein had of exited his vehical at the spot of the initial brake check-bumper to tire incident.

Good on Lein to not stick around and make himself and his family into sacrificial lambs for the lynch mob at that point.

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^ That's my take as well. It's been pretty well established that the bikers in that loose coalition of confederates were fond of stopping traffic so they could use the smooth, quality roadway for impromptu hot-rodding. The brake checking essentially set him up to be in the way of ire from the mob.

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Slashing his tires doesn't count as violent?

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I'm certainly not trying to defend the bikers, I'm just curious about what really happened. There's been a lot of speculation and misinformation. If they slashed his tires at the first stop, well of course, game over, turn the terrain setting to 'sport bike.'

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Instigated by one of the bikers trying to stop traffic so the others can have clear road ahead to play. This is a roving gang looking for trouble hoping others don't push back, Mr Lien pushed back.

You are a liberal aren't you?

Given the demeanor of these guys in the courtroom do you truly believe they guys are able to "talk" things through? Remember, dumb and mean is a bad combination that defies the application of logic.

You have absolutely no idea the type of people that you are dealing with, the are not "troubled" youths that just need a hug.

How about we put you into the same situation and see what you do. I challenge you to go to a bad part of town and talk to some of these types of people. I bet you won't.

Skippy is far from a liberal. Why would you think a Liberal would side with the bike thugs?

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^ Ditto. Liberal. Meh . . .

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Because of this statement:

"Had he stayed put to try to talk the situation out, he probably would have come out with some vandalism to his vehicle."

Trying to "talk things out" with a roving gang looking for a fight sounded liberal to me. This gang _wants_ confrontation, it's all part of the game, trying to "talk it out" is a sign of weakness in their eyes.

What the gang is doing is akin to someone in a bar trying to pick a fight then a by stander thinking they can talk things out.

"Why can't we all just get along?"

I thought Skippy was siding with the Bikers because he identified with them more than the guy in the SUV......the opposite of a liberal IMHO.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

What is opposite of a liberal?

First a definition for "liberal" is needed.

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I never said the bikers were all innocent. Several have been arrested and are being dealt with in accordance with our criminal justice system. I suspect the ones in custody for specifically hoping for someone to push back.

Congratulations, I believe you are the first person ever to suggest that. Not that it's really germane to this discussion, but in five presidential elections, I've voted for the Republican candidate three times and the Libertarian candidate twice.

By "talk" I mean Mr Lien's best course of action would be been to become immediately and profusely apologetic for hitting Brake Check Moron, at least until the cops showed. Running merely triggered the predatory instinct that we all have and members of the gang chose to follow. Note the advice in 1:14-1:34 of the following video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8 This video pertains to the police, who are supposed to exercise restraint. Providing the same stimulus to a possible gang of thugs should be quite predictable in its response. Running would only have been a good idea if he had a reasonably good chance of getting away.

I have a pretty good idea what these guys are like. I wouldn't want to ride or hang out with them or people with the same attitude and behavior. That still doesn't mean that a person who was simply riding with them needed his spine broken. Lien attempted (poorly) to defend himself using the deadly force of his Range Rover. However, he ran over someone who wasn't attacking him. What happens when a person uses a gun to defend himself but shoots a bystander instead?

I lived in Atlanta for a few years. Been there, done that, don't need to do it again. That said, the worst I got was yelled at.

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The guy blocking in the SUV was attacking him as much as any other person in the group....so he's certainly not innocent.

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