This mod only responds to complaints and then runs it by the other mods before reponding. I'm not going to lose any sleep over this OD stuff. I actually come into OD to try to get some comic relief for the most part.

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Yes and I've never seen any evidence of any sort indicating anything different from that. Your work as well as the work of the other moderators is greatly appreciated.

Exactly--and we all know who the others now sub to-to have the infractions dished out, When the heck did it turn out this way?? --one guy with his old buddy bias's..from a long ago period,

thats ridiculous.

My post was the reason the thread got delieted. guess what -i knew damn well it would and saved a copy specifically to turn over to the webmaster, I need to know IF he actually does give a DAMN........ or its like I assume he considers this website.

Bottom line is--its got to be about$$$, I was a customer of Pelican parts before he bought this site----- and ill have to know before ordering the frontend rebuild parts from Wayne -or anything else for any euro car-- For Sure, because facilitating the two current trolls is dispicable.

I understand why you consider the place so worthless these days, unless we are Pro Active its definately going to stay this way.
one of the threads-- a couple of old fire engines, I mentioned my aqqantiance near you that got the one of a kind GMC-- he has completely blown thru it and I just donated a radiator/shrowd and some inside cab parts to replace his too coroded stuff--You said you have original photos -or ones you took, I definately need to see them for my gmc chainmail if you could kindly dig them up.

The feral ones dont like a level playing field !
It is comic, I hope that Wayne gets a laugh from time to time. I do !
It used to be trolling to have an opinion differing from the chosen ones. Equality appears to be the order of the day. Its just that some are no longer more equal than others.
At least now its not a case of the baby that cries the most getting the most attention.

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I no longer question authority, I annoy authority. More effect, less effort....

1967 230-6 auto parts car. rust bucket.
1980 300D now parts car 800k miles
1984 300D 500k miles
1987 250td 160k miles English import
2001 jeep turbo diesel 130k miles
1998 jeep tdi ~ followed me home. Needs a turbo.
1968 Ford F750 truck. 6-354 diesel conversion.
Other toys ~J.D.,Cat & GM ~ mainly earth moving

I feel it's too late for one reason. the damage has been done. you can enforce the TOU, but you cant take back what has been said before... some people let things go quick. others. not so much. i was around when B.C and Hatty were mods. We had our issues. I've let them go. the past is the past. Gotten to know the people that I had issue with a little better and I like them all the better now. I actually have a list of the people I'd love to meet from here. but thats a thread for another day. BUT. might meet some of ye sooner then later

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1987 300TD 311,000M Stolen. Presumed destroyed

Yeah had it happen, forget which member did it. It was a big order to, like $600.

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1999 SL500
1969 280SE
2023 Ram 1500
2007 Tiara 3200

I'm not sure which trolls your referring to, but all of our trolls have been around since the beginning of the forum, or just about. The only one that every really left for good was Lester, Kirk even came back for a bit.

The only thing that changes is their level of activity. Most of them can actually be rather productive members if kept on a short leash. Brian had Kirk on a very short leash and it worked pretty well. When an election comes around or something like this government shutdown they get over excited and need a time out, its times like this when you really have to crack the TOU whip on them.

A little active moderation would cure this, but the current guys in charge seem to take a bit more of a laissez-faire approach. I certainly cannot criticize this approach its solid, and given the heartburn that arguing with the trolls and bosses gives you a good way of handling it. However the downside of this method is it won't lead to behavior modification of more troublesome posters; as a result the forums tone will gravitate to whomever is the more prolific poser, ie the trolls.

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1969 280SE
2023 Ram 1500
2007 Tiara 3200

There is nothing "deceitful" about it.

Deleting a thread is the easy way out. You don't need to deal with anything distasteful on the thread and you don't need to infract anybody on the thread.

It's the cowardly thing to do.

Of course, the membership has no idea why the thread was deleted and which posts were undesirable on that thread.

I agree with brian on this. Its hard work trying to modify behavior but worth it. It is impossible if the webmaster or owner of the site doesn't back you though.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

See if you can find the thread:

Florida Bay "closed" may cancel Redbone Celebrity Tournament Series

Maybe some action to delete trolling threads might have actually occurred?

One could only hope.

Aquaticedge makes a good point. "The damage is done"

As he indicated, people can apologize and reconciliate, but they can NEVER take their words back. I have tried on several occasions to apologize and take my words back only to be jumped on like a Duck on a June Bug, and when it happens it is impossible for me to keep myself from retaliation.

As far as Wayne goes, he is a businessman with a LOT of things on his plate. I doubt that he has an extra five minutes a day that would warrant messing with people whining to him about posts on this forum. What would be best for him is to just shut down Open Discussion and keep this an automotive discussion forum that will help generate parts sales.

Aquaticedge is a car guy that came to this forum to work on his car and Wayne is in danger of losing him. When you work on your car you need parts. Wayne sells them. I don't know if Aquaticedge would stop buying parts from Pelican or not, but if he were my customer I sure wouldn't want to risk losing him.

Wayne's Pelican Parts site has some fabulous technical articles that go deeper than most anything I've ever read in my almost 14 years on this forum, and technically this is one of the very better automotive forums.

If he were to shut down OD, many of the posters in OD aren't car guys anyway. There are a few of them that probably couldn't tell you the difference between a spark plug and a spare tire. For those who ARE hands on car guys, they will gravitate back to Diesel Discussion and Tech Help. I know I would, although I would lobby to get an SLK forum added.

It would seem that the investment in PeachParts was for the purpose of helping parts customers and selling parts, so what is OD actually giving as a Return On Investment? I think that from that standpoint OD is a liability and could EASILY lead to lost parts sales.

I mean, really.... what does someone trying to sell car parts need with a political/religious/societal discussion forum anyway? Especially when it has grown to be so toxic. How can it possibly be good for business?

I don't want to see OD shut down, but I'm just saying that if I were Wayne I would pull the plug so fast, it would disappear right in front of your eyes quicker than the lost threads of the last few days.

Maybe he can shut it down and someone can open a forum like: "opendiscussion.com." One of the people who believes that their way would be the best way for OD, could put up with it and apply their own ideas on how it should be administered. Any takers?

Hm. Damage done is damage done. I see your point. This is why I don't get it when people think it's amusing to come and watch people tearing each other apart -- that's real people who are getting hurt. I still don't think it's pointless to toughen down -- better late than never, as they say. If nothing else, maybe new members will settle in and never know how it was.

I wonder if there's a way to tell the site owner that many of us in OD would support a toughening-down. I could see that all he hears is complaints about the mods, and, not knowing better, he just assumes that they are somehow at fault, whereas if a bunch of us stood behind them, they might be able to get more done. They might also appoint some new mods to handle the increased workload. Note: I am not saying this because I want to be a mod. I don't have the time right now to even think about being a mod. I just think it makes sense to both have more people doing it -- because it is so time-consuming and because that will give a larger "front" or "team" when people start whining.

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1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues ____ 1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod

2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."

Larry: you posted after I started my my post. All very good points.

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1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues ____ 1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod

2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."

I disagree. OD and other discussions, when moderated well, enhance and promote the community aspect of the site. These in turn, have members who will pay a couple extra bucks to support the community and the site. Otherwise, we'd all buy from ******** and whatnot since they're cheaper. I've made all my purchases here simply because of the community and the site that is supported through my purchase.

Also, I think that the vast majority of posters on OD are "car guys". Otherwise there is no reason to come to this site.

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Current stable:
- 2004 Mazda RALLYWANKEL
- 2007 Saturn sky redline
- 2004 Explorer...under surgery.

Past: 135i, GTI, 300E, 300SD, 300SD, Stealth