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ramonajim 10-13-2013 02:33 PM

95 Tahoe - no brake fluid.
 
Can't see where it went. Sigh. 40 mile flatbed ride home to work on it in th rain.

kerry 10-13-2013 02:54 PM

Good luck. From what I read on the diesel place 6.5 forum, bleeding those brakes with the ABS is not simple.

Skippy 10-13-2013 05:03 PM

Check inside your brake booster.

ramonajim 10-13-2013 05:03 PM

Well heck. Found it - hard line between the front wheels.

Runs under the radiator, has about a zillion bends.

cmbdiesel 10-13-2013 05:54 PM

Copper-Nickel brake line is your friend... Easy bending, easy flaring and won't rust.
Just replace the entire line that failed and reuse the compression fittings.

Did the line from master cylinder to rear Tee on my SD earlier this week.
1.5 hours start to finish, and the line is routed exactly where it is supposed to be.

Amazon.com: 3/16" X 25' Feet Ni Copp Seamless Copper Nickel Alloy Brake Line 25 Foot Roll: Automotive

did I mention that you can bend it with your hands...?

Skippy 10-13-2013 07:33 PM

I was warned in mechanic school never to make hydraulic brake lines out of copper, since it's too soft. Does the nickel harden it up enough to work reliably?

kerry 10-13-2013 07:34 PM

Shouldn't that problem just have emptied one half of the reservoir?

ramonajim 10-13-2013 07:37 PM

Only one chamber was empty (larger chamber, closer to the firewall.

cmbdiesel 10-13-2013 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skippy (Post 3222384)
I was warned in mechanic school never to make hydraulic brake lines out of copper, since it's too soft. Does the nickel harden it up enough to work reliably?

Never heard of copper being unsuitable for brake line pressures (if that's the kind of soft you mean).
But, nickel does add strength to the copperh.
Steel has a higher burst pressure, but that number diminishes dramatically after exposure to salt, making copper nickel very popular with the ship builders.

Copper nickel costs more, which is why it's not common for OEM applications.
That being said, it has been used since the 70's on Volvo, Rolls Royce, Lotus, Aston Martin and Porsche.

Applications: Automotive - Copper-Nickel Automotive Vehicle Brake Tubing

cmbdiesel 10-13-2013 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramonajim (Post 3222386)
Only one chamber was empty (larger chamber, closer to the firewall.

Front brakes.
For some reason unknown to me every vehicle I've ever worked on the reservoirs are reversed... front reservoir does rear brakes, rear reservoir does front brakes.

Maybe it's a pressure thing? More hydraulic force closer to the master to give extra pressure to the front??:confused:

cmbdiesel 10-13-2013 07:51 PM

First roll of copper nickel I bought replumbed the entire brake system of my 94 GMC Jimmy. No issues bleeding the brakes with that ABS system.
Took most of a day to do it, but that was mostly due to the rust issues...:eek:

kmaysob 10-13-2013 09:36 PM

The problem with copper is that it tends to crack from vibration. Not sure if the nickel helps that or not

cmbdiesel 10-13-2013 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kmaysob (Post 3222435)
The problem with copper is that it tends to crack from vibration. Not sure if the nickel helps that or not

Never heard that before either.
One would think with its greater flexibility that it would be less likely to crack from vibration...
Have you seen data for that?

edit - looked around for info on the vibrational cracking, and it seems to only pop up on Harley forums.
Guess it's not everyone's favorite oil line material on their paint shaker HD's...;)
Don't think it would be an issue for brake lines on a car, as they are not attached to the engine, and generally live a pretty stable life.
Biggest concern with brake lines seems to be corrosion.


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