Help Catch a Robber and Then Get Fired for It? - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

aklim · #16 10-14-2013, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by P.C.

First Starbucks, now Lowes...you better get used to buying things via the internet...

Or anything since even internet companies can piss someone off.

aklim · #17 10-14-2013, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

Big retailers like this chew employees up and spit them out, they are totally disposable balance sheet expenses.

How are they not disposable balance sheet expenses? The general employee is not going to give a crap about the company and the company doesn't care about them. My employees are a tool to my ends and I am a tool to their ends. Where is the issue? Most of them would jump ship for a buck and I'd dump them for a buck. This lady might be an aberration but it is like anything else, you don't bet on the exception.

So she got tired of seeing people get away with it and wanted a rush. Fine, pay for it. As an 18 year employee, you surely know the company policy about shoplifters. If it doesn't pad your bottom line, WGAS?

When I worked at Best Buy, we were given a percentage of the theft savings so it was our business. Today, it might not be. If you are not stealing from me, why would I risk my neck to get ahold of you? Not my problem.

elchivito · #18 10-14-2013, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

How are they not disposable balance sheet expenses? The general employee is not going to give a crap about the company and the company doesn't care about them. My employees are a tool to my ends and I am a tool to their ends. Where is the issue? Most of them would jump ship for a buck and I'd dump them for a buck. This lady might be an aberration but it is like anything else, you don't bet on the exception.

So she got tired of seeing people get away with it and wanted a rush. Fine, pay for it. As an 18 year employee, you surely know the company policy about shoplifters. If it doesn't pad your bottom line, WGAS?

When I worked at Best Buy, we were given a percentage of the theft savings so it was our business. Today, it might not be. If you are not stealing from me, why would I risk my neck to get ahold of you? Not my problem.

You are certainly the cynical realist and all but I do believe if I had your world view I'd go dig myself a deep hole and crawl into it with enough good likker to make sure I never came back out.

aklim · #19 10-14-2013, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

You are certainly the cynical realist and all but I do believe if I had your world view I'd go dig myself a deep hole and crawl into it with enough good likker to make sure I never came back out.

Well if you don't have the strength to see what it is, I guess you have to do what you have to do to make your life more bearable. People like you who cannot put up with reality invent their own reality or do drugs. Not sure which is worse.

Diesel911 · #20 10-14-2013, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

I parked near the fenced in garden products section of a big box store. As I was walking towards the store, I see two electric tool cases come flying over the top of the fence and land in the parking lot. I thought, "This is interesting, I should watch." So, I went back to my car and got inside. A few minutes later a guy walks out of the store, comes around the fenced in area, looks all around, picks up the tools and starts walking away. Two guys then come around the corner from the store and start chasing him. They tackled him and pinned him to the ground. Good work.

Yep, they did the same at the Hardware Store My Grandmother used to work at.
Except it was some of the Employees that were throwing the stuff over the Fence.

Diesel911 · #21 10-14-2013, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

How are they not disposable balance sheet expenses? The general employee is not going to give a crap about the company and the company doesn't care about them. My employees are a tool to my ends and I am a tool to their ends. Where is the issue? Most of them would jump ship for a buck and I'd dump them for a buck. This lady might be an aberration but it is like anything else, you don't bet on the exception.

So she got tired of seeing people get away with it and wanted a rush. Fine, pay for it. As an 18 year employee, you surely know the company policy about shoplifters. If it doesn't pad your bottom line, WGAS?

When I worked at Best Buy, we were given a percentage of the theft savings so it was our business. Today, it might not be. If you are not stealing from me, why would I risk my neck to get ahold of you? Not my problem.

That is one choice.

What would have happened to that SUV Driver the Bikers were beating on if someone had not intervened in something that was not their problem.

From what I have seen if you so something or don't do something either way it seems you end up paying.
I admire the Lady as at least She is a "Man of Action".

davidmash · #22 10-14-2013, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

I will never darken the doors of a Lowes ever again. She deserves a promotion.

I think that Bot might be right or Lowes is just going along with the continuing slide of America into the sewer. Either way, Lowes can kiss my azz.

Home Depot

WalMArt

Keep it up and you'll be a shut in.

These are just two I found in short order. It is the policy of most companies to forbid employees from trying to stop a theft. They are concerned about law suits (if the employee gets hurt) and from law suits from surrounding people who might get hurt.

Stopping theft is not their job. They do not know the law. I am betting you do not know that a person who stuffs a book in their purse and walks around the store has not broken the law. It only becomes theft when they exit the building. If an employee stops a person in the building for what they think will happen they are opening up the company for a law suit.

What would have happened had the suspect had a gun and started shooting? May be he kills a by stander. There are a whole lot of what ifs that a employee does not know about or have the training to assess.

Theft is a very specific crime as specified by the law. Being a law and order guy I would think you would know this.

Diesel911 · #23 10-14-2013, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Well if you don't have the strength to see what it is, I guess you have to do what you have to do to make your life more bearable. People like you who cannot put up with reality invent their own reality or do drugs. Not sure which is worse.

Not exactly.
Some of your thought process is similar to the old adage "I don't need to fix My Roof when it does not Rain and when it is raining I can't fix My Roof".
Both of ideas in the adage are correct. But both ideas are non-functional as far as fixing you leaking Roof.

The below is also reality.
If all People aggressively went after Criminals Crime of all sorts would plummet.
If We ignore Crimes We still end up paying for the Crime when they are in Jail or through injury, loss of life or loss of Property.
Not doing something when you see a Crime being committed only give you the allusion that you won't be paying for it.

So Lowe's is going to get what they deserve; they have essentially somewhat laid out the Welcome Mat for Thieves; saying it is safer to steal from them than other places.

davidmash · #24 10-14-2013, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911

Not exactly.
Some of your thought process is similar to the old adage "I don't need to fix My Roof when it does not Rain and when it is raining I can't fix My Roof".
Both of ideas in the adage are correct. But both ideas are non-functional as far as fixing you leaking Roof.

The below is also reality.
If all People aggressively went after Criminals Crime of all sorts would plummet.
If We ignore Crimes We still end up paying for the Crime when they are in Jail or through injury, loss of life or loss of Property.
Not doing something when you see a Crime being committed only give you the allusion that you won't be paying for it.

So Lowe's is going to get what they deserve; they have essentially somewhat laid out the Welcome Mat for Thieves; saying it is safer to steal from them than other places.

Most companies have this policy in place. As I said earlier, theft is quite specific. Check with your local DA if you doubt it.

cmbdiesel · #25 10-14-2013, 09:30 PM

I'll take - "there's more to this story" for a thousand Alex....

davidmash · #26 10-14-2013, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

I'll take - "there's more to this story" for a thousand Alex....

Not necessarily. She placed her life and those of the surrounding patrons at risk. She violated standing policy regarding preventing theft. She put the value of property over life. Termination may have been a bit extreme but if the company has a zero tolerance policy then they have no other recourse other wise the next person can claim bias. If someone wants to steal something out of the store that I work at I sure as hell will not stop them. We have loss prevention folks and that is their job. Property is not worth my life or well being.

Hatterasguy · #27 10-14-2013, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

I'll take - "there's more to this story" for a thousand Alex....

No, I worked for Lowes in college and I know people in the retail space. It sounds about right.

As my friend who is in charge of security at a big box chain store told me, the simplest way to steal a TV is to just walk right in, grab it, and walk out. If the employees interfere they are fired so they just stop caring, and if he catch's it on camera and calls the cops they are apathetic at best.

aklim · #28 10-14-2013, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911

What would have happened to that SUV Driver the Bikers were beating on if someone had not intervened in something that was not their problem.

From what I have seen if you so something or don't do something either way it seems you end up paying.

I admire the Lady as at least She is a "Man of Action".

Who knows. All I can say is that it would be as bad if not worse. But what's your point? That the one swallow makes a spring? Look at all the splendors of mankind. It is a safer bet that someone given the means, motive and opportunity will do bad things than right. As they say, the race doesn't always go to the strongest or the swiftest but it is the way to bet.

Possibly. But for what do I stick my neck out and possibly get it chopped off for?

Perhaps so but look at what she gets out of it.

Botnst · #29 10-14-2013, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

I'll take - "there's more to this story" for a thousand Alex....

Yep.

aklim · #30 10-14-2013, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911

If all People aggressively went after Criminals Crime of all sorts would plummet.
If We ignore Crimes We still end up paying for the Crime when they are in Jail or through injury, loss of life or loss of Property.
Not doing something when you see a Crime being committed only give you the allusion that you won't be paying for it.

So Lowe's is going to get what they deserve; they have essentially somewhat laid out the Welcome Mat for Thieves; saying it is safer to steal from them than other places.

Ever saw the show with Kenny Rodgers "The Gambler". He had a derringer on 4 guys. They told him that even if he did kill 2, there would be 2 left. Asked them which two would step up and take the bullets so the other two could do the killing. If people were good, Marx would be right and the world would be a good place. Unfortunately, man is bad and won't do the right thing. Our laws are there to make sure that there is some deterrent so that we ourselves won't get killed, maimed, etc, etc. If we could all be good people, we wouldn't need to have such law enforcement.

Doubtful. It is safe to steal from any place that doesn't want to risk any issues and get insurance to pay for it and stick it to the paying customer.