Company puts Toyota Supra 3.0 turbo engines in aging BMWs - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

cmac2012 · #1 10-15-2013, 02:00 PM

BMW 325i & M5 - Sacrilege! - Eurotuner Magazine

I've always thought that would be a good engine for hot rodding. Would be an interesting engine for a Cobra kit.

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While we recoiled in horror at the prospect, Mike made a compelling argument: "The 2JZ is a very affordable engine that's both strong and reliable, and maintenance is significantly cheaper than a BMW engine. With very little tuning you can get 500hp from them, up to 800hp from the stock block. What's more, we're getting about 350-375hp in virtually stock form, and they'll even return better fuel economy than the M5 motor if you stay off-boost." At this point, we naturally covered our ears and ran away screaming.

Txjake · #2 10-15-2013, 02:27 PM

sounds like a win win situation

MTI · #3 10-15-2013, 03:00 PM

There are quite a few shop in Asia that will drop a Nissan or Toyota motor into a Mercedes, along with the rear end to handle the power. Japan has fairly strict motor vehicle laws concerning the condition of the car, you don't see a lot of "junkers" on the road. The result is a lot of cars winding up in recyclers and then shipped to other countries for scrap or recycling. Thailand has a tuner industry that takes those parts and create some interesting combinations for enthusiasts there.

panZZer · #4 10-15-2013, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

There are quite a few shop in Asia that will drop a Nissan or Toyota motor into a Mercedes, along with the rear end to handle the power. Japan has fairly strict motor vehicle laws concerning the condition of the car, you don't see a lot of "junkers" on the road. The result is a lot of cars winding up in recyclers and then shipped to other countries for scrap or recycling. Thailand has a tuner industry that takes those parts and create some interesting combinations for enthusiasts there.

Yes ive gotten tired of the smoke on startup in my CD, if I absolutely loved the car a good inline to swap in--ide have to use the 165 hp mercruiser chevy 250 to start with, I also think the jag differential would be the easiest way to a limited slip differetial using the boltup homokinetic axles and a corvette style rear cover that bolts to the car, the four top bolts that mount to the rear subframe is the hard part.
Its a very cool looking little euro car but -i dont love it that much.

cmac2012 · #5 10-15-2013, 05:11 PM

I've heard that about Japanese engines, in country. I first saw a Supra engine when I took some auto tech classes. A student had brought one in to work on, I think it was early edition, no turbo IIRC but I recall it reminding of the old XKE DOHC six.

All the fascination with a 427 in a Cobra has always struck me as slightly whack. And I suspect that engine is hard to come by/expensive. A Supra engine just slightly tuned will reportedly put out 300 hp easily enough.

What's more, one can find E30s on the market and at boneyards semi-regular with a busted timing belt, i.e. ruined engine. I'm big on the E30's chassis and a different and more powerful engine wouldn't break my heart.

duxthe1 · #6 10-15-2013, 07:47 PM

The idea wells up so much excitement I can barely "Meh"

Hatterasguy · #7 10-15-2013, 08:32 PM

Meh, and now the M5 is worth $10 when he goes to sell it.

Not a terrible solution for an old 3 series though.

cmac2012 · #8 10-15-2013, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by duxthe1

The idea wells up so much excitement I can barely "Meh"

Oh dear, and here you had to go to the trouble to say "Meh." I'm so sorry.

cmac2012 · #9 10-15-2013, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

Meh, and now the M5 is worth $10 when he goes to sell it.

Not a terrible solution for an old 3 series though.

Yeah, for an M5 it's a bit whack, unless maybe the body was worn to crap, the engine was blown, and your really liked the way it drove.

I'm telling you, I like the E30 better than any other Bimmer I've driven so far and that includes some that are much faster, and putting in a 3 to 4 hundred hp engine that's cheap and easy to service is appealing. My engine has gone about 390K, heads never off, and it won't last forever.

C280 Sport · #10 10-16-2013, 02:54 PM

Been done many times before. 2JZ is a great engine(German Designed too). This is just one of those situations where you just want to go fast! Hot Rodding and modding is not really my thing but there is a member on another site that I am on putting one into a E420. Admire the effort but question the logic. To each their own I guess.

cmac2012 · #11 10-16-2013, 03:06 PM

I'm just now doing some major work on my Bimmer - new rear tranny seals, some new bushings in the shift linkage, new center bearing on crankshaft, and welding on a new cat among a few smaller things.

It occurs to me, and not for the first time, that it's hard enough to work on these things when you're just repairing and replacing parts in the factory product, the end result of many man hours and engineering resources to design. Trying to make shift linkage work from scratch - different tranny in a spot not engineered for it, could be a serious job that might be fraught with trouble from now on.

You're right, it's a huge job and when all is said and done, you have a car that goes faster than you really need to and likely a bunch of bugs that'll pop up at odd times. Not sure why I fantasize about it.

JB3 · #12 10-16-2013, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I'm just now doing some major work on my Bimmer - new rear tranny seals, some new bushings in the shift linkage, new center bearing on crankshaft, and welding on a new cat among a few smaller things.

It occurs to me, and not for the first time, that it's hard enough to work on these things when you're just repairing and replacing parts in the factory product, the end result of many man hours and engineering resources to design. Trying to make shift linkage work from scratch - different tranny in a spot not engineered for it, could be a serious job that might be fraught with trouble from now on.

You're right, it's a huge job and when all is said and done, you have a car that goes faster than you really need to and likely a bunch of bugs that'll pop up at odd times. Not sure why I fantasize about it.

you also need this in the garage-

a 5.0 ford powered miata. This will make you really appreciate the room in your Bavarian supra.

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MTI · #13 10-16-2013, 03:16 PM

The concept of hot rodding lives on.

cmac2012 · #14 10-16-2013, 03:20 PM

Good Lord. Now that is going a bit far. I drove a Miata once and was not impressed. Not an issue with the power, just didn't like it.

Even if I did, I can only imagine there would be times when you'll have a hard time getting to this or that part of the engine. I understand that with some of the mid-engine Ferraris, the engine has to be pulled for some maintenance procedures.

3.0 liters can be a lot of engine. The Bavarian Supra guys claim there's plenty of room in the engine bay for it.

Air&Road · #15 10-16-2013, 03:42 PM

If that is the Toyota engine that I'm thinking about, it's a dandy.