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spdrun 10-15-2013 03:50 PM

What happens after October 17th.
 
Here's a good explanation of "default day" and subsequent events from a non-US media source. The scary thing is that nothing will happen at first, and people aren't good at dealing with fluid deadlines.

US contingency plans that dare not be uttered - FT.com

If you hit the paywall, try going in from Google News:
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=contingency+plans+that+dare+not+be+uttered&oq=contingency+pl ans+that+dare+not+be+uttered&gs_l=news-cc.3..43j43i53.2072.7187.0.7402.33.2.0.26.0.0.239.401.0j1j1.2.0...0.0...1ac.1.mW-2RHF-0EA

engatwork 10-15-2013 04:58 PM

I doubt we will see much change around Soperton.

spdrun 10-15-2013 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by engatwork (Post 3223414)
I doubt we will see much change around Soperton.

Except that commodity prices (food, oil, etc) fluctuate with the value of the dollar. If they manage to wreck the value of the currency, there will be effects, maybe in the space of months, not immediately.

I don't know what Soperton produces, but there also probably needs to be a market for it outside of town. Think of it as an "Alas, Babylon!" type of scenario -- that the effects are first seen and heard in the third person before they really have time to be felt.

Going much past the Oct 17th deadline would be stupid on the gov's part, but there's been a whole lot of stupid flying around DC recently. Work on the damn debt ceiling first, then deal with the shutdown when it's convenient.

neumann 10-15-2013 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun (Post 3223389)
Here's a good explanation of "default day" and subsequent events from a non-US media source. The scary thing is that nothing will happen at first, and people aren't good at dealing with fluid deadlines.

US contingency plans that dare not be uttered - FT.com

If you hit the paywall, try going in from Google News:
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=contingency+plans+that+dare+not+be+uttered&oq=contingency+pl ans+that+dare+not+be+uttered&gs_l=news-cc.3..43j43i53.2072.7187.0.7402.33.2.0.26.0.0.239.401.0j1j1.2.0...0.0...1ac.1.mW-2RHF-0EA

any other non pay sites?

sloride 10-15-2013 05:52 PM

Get out of bed , go to work, and send some more money to the slobs in D.C.

Hatterasguy 10-15-2013 08:41 PM

Well no one is buying houses right now, the markets are dead.

The interesting question is what will the military do if the checks stop coming? In other countries like when the Soviet Union broke up they just walked away, that was it. In the Revolution the same thing happened.

I wonder if a general will take a walk over from the Pentagon with a division to secure his soldiers pay?

Lets hope the idiots in DC get past their utter stupidity.

spdrun 10-15-2013 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy (Post 3223509)
Well no one is buying houses right now, the markets are dead.

That at least is a good thing, better than the mini-bubble we had this Spring. The markets needed some cold water thrown on them, and the slowdown started in August, way before the shutdown and debt ceiling were a thing.

Air&Road 10-15-2013 08:57 PM

Anybody who believes the bull shlt that we will default tomorrow night is showing their gullibility. If you will learn that the medias main job is to perpetuate the lefts lies, you will then be able to understand things much better.

spdrun 10-15-2013 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Air&Road (Post 3223516)
Anybody who believes the bull shlt that we will default tomorrow night is showing their gullibility. If you will learn that the medias main job is to perpetuate the lefts lies, you will then be able to understand things much better.

If you read the article, it actually states that we will NOT default tomorrow night :)

elchivito 10-15-2013 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun (Post 3223518)
If you read the article, it actually states that we will NOT default tomorrow night :)

He doesn't read links. It's like a rule for him.
Or something.

elchivito 10-15-2013 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy (Post 3223509)
Well no one is buying houses right now, the markets are dead.

No shlt. Fully HALF of credit unions' mortgages are FHA. No approvals happening during the shutdown so potential buyers; esp. first timers and veterans are sitting still. I still have lookers on the property I've listed, had a good prospect today. If you're buying what I'm selling there's a good chance you don't need a mortgage.

spdrun 10-15-2013 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 3223532)
No shlt. Fully HALF of credit unions' mortgages are FHA.

That's actually a pretty high fraction -- is that local to you or in general?

Sorry to sound harsh, but...
Honestly, if you're a vet planning to put 0% down or an FHA buyer putting down 3%, not sure if you should be buying. It may be a good thing that future home-renters with no skin in the game are being locked out of the market. No skin in the game means that they're more of a risk for strategic default down the line.

elchivito 10-15-2013 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun (Post 3223540)
That's actually a pretty high fraction -- is that local to you or in general?

Sorry to sound harsh, but...
Honestly, if you're a vet planning to put 0% down or an FHA buyer putting down 3%, not sure if you should be buying. It may be a good thing that future home-renters with no skin in the game are being locked out of the market. No skin in the game means that they're more of a risk for strategic default down the line.

No argument there. Is FHA still accepting 3% down?
As far as the 50% goes, my RE agent mentioned it today. He didn't specify whether that was a local figure or not but it might be. Our market here is good. Fewer homes listed now than in a very long time and almost none in default. My immediate area is not particularly prosperous. 75% of the kids at my school qualify for free lunches, a good indicator IMO.

spdrun 10-15-2013 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 3223552)
No argument there. Is FHA still accepting 3% down?
As far as the 50% goes, my RE agent mentioned it today. He didn't specify whether that was a local figure or not but it might be. Our market here is good. Fewer homes listed now than in a very long time and almost none in default. My immediate area is not particularly prosperous. 75% of the kids at my school qualify for free lunches, a good indicator IMO.

You're in rural Texas, right? Two things going for you all:
(1) the old Texan homestead law which strongly discouraged some of the crazier lending practices
(2) the bubble being largely an urban and suburban phenomenon (Vegas, LA, San Diego and Phoenix were probably the worst hit)

Have to say that Texas reining in the banks in the 1890s was a truly smart and forward-thinking decision.

neumann 10-15-2013 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sloride (Post 3223436)
Get out of bed , go to work, and send some more money to the slobs in D.C.

what was that response in reference to?


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