A new idiot exposes himself
 

Calm down. Not that kind of "expose".

The United States of America is "an Islamic country with an Islamically compliant constitution," a member of the Department of Homeland Security Council tweeted Thursday.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/01/muslim-dhs-adviser-under-fire-for-controversial-islam-tweet/

His statement doesn't appear to be any better or any worse than similar claims by Christians that America is a Christian nation. What, exactly, is your complaint? I tried to figure out what he meant by going to his twitter feed, but there are too many Frank Gafney types hyperventilating over there to really find out anything.

Oh yeah, hes harmless.

"Sayyid Qutb, Ayatollah Khomeini and radical New York Imam Siraj Wahhaj. He has asserted conspiracy theories, supported terror related individuals and organizations and accused the government of mounting a war against Islam. Despite all this, he was appointed by Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Janet Napolitano to the Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC)"

http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/712.pdf

Gosh, he seems to have something (not sure what) to do with a bunch of guys with scary-sounding names, real muslimy names. I may try to wade through the linked article. Meanwhile, do you have a response to my question? What is your complaint with his statement?

It is in no way a muslim compliant document. There were actual christians involved with constitution. No muslims I know of.

Freedom of, not from religion.

A new idiot exposes himself
 

Interested and being one are two different things.

Im sure you understand that though.

There were christians and non-christians involved in drafting the Constitution, which I believe is beside the point. While I would not have used the phrase, "muslim compliant," I can see why someone else might. The Constitution, AFAIK, does not compel anyone to do anything that violates muslim principles. So, in that way, it probably is muslim compliant.

Why do you care about this? Isn't he entitled to his opinion? His comment, standing alone, does not seem anti-American to me.

I have a copy of the Koran, too.

The folks who wrote it that had rejected Christianity (like Jefferson and Franklin) nonetheless were steeped in Christian values and believed those values were fundamentally important for a healthy society. Franklin in particular was an interesting case. In his lifetime he vacillated between traditional religion, Deism, and atheism. Toward the end of his life he embraced Quakerism and in that role, held an anti-slavery protest that interrupted the business of Congress by invading the chambers and so forth. Jefferson, though usually described as a Deist, was also sometimes a Trinitarian and sometimes not. Washington, generally viewed as a religious man, generally tried to keep religion t arms length except in his private devotional.

Many of those guys were Freemasons, fundamental to which is a belief in a Supreme Architect of the Universe -- monotheism. Thus, a Freemason could be a Christian, Jew, or Muslim without compromising his religion or his lodge. But he could not be an atheist.

It appears to be more then an opinion. TKO indeed.


Senior DHS Adviser: America

"This is not the first time that his tweets, which he says are his personal opinions, have become the subject of controversy.

Elibiary argued earlier this month that the Muslim Brotherhood is not a threat to the United States, according to the nonprofit Clarion Project, which has tracked and documented Elibiary’s online activity.

He also has called former Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi “Egypt’s Mandela,” a reference to South Africa’s Nelson Mandela.

Elibiary has expressed great support for the Muslim Brotherhood, claiming in a recent interview with Clarion that the organization is “pragmatic” and “non-violent.”

Further reading on the subject reveals that he was asked the question of if the US Constitution was in line with Islamic tenets. He answered that it was. This is hardly news as any reading of the US Constitution will reveal little in the way of religious views, and any reading of the Quran will reveal that it is laid down with regulations.

The US Constitution, like all Constitutions, lays down the law of the land. The Quran does the same.

From what I know of both subjects there is nothing in the US Constitution that would conflict with the Quran, but I do think there are parts of the Quran that conflict with the US Constitution.

I think the larger question being asked here is why is such a person an advisor to the DHS? The answer is simple: He is necessary.

I have had dealings with many people who would raise the eyebrows of of the standard bearers of morality, but to such people I take an attitude of "Get a life." Information is where you find it, and if I must deal with those who are frowned upon by others to accomplish my goals then I must deal with them.

It is a part of life I accepted long ago. There is no profit in dealing with false information. I make too many mistakes if I rely solely upon myself, and I always welcome corrections no matter what the source.

Nice to hear that Dubyuh's religiosity is so broadly supported.

I doubt that anyone would ever confuse this fellow with Mother Teresa, but there are some areas of government that must rely on sources of information that would come from a person you would not claim as a personal friend.

The Bush Administration put great faith in information provided by codename 'Cue Ball' that later proved a fiction, but Cue Ball was the only source available or at least the only source trusted.

This can be said for any source: His personal views are of little importance. Is his information correct?

Lives depend on this and what is done with the information he provides.

Thanks for the info; I find that interesting.

I am going to write Homeland Security and tell them to keep an Eye on You and that Thomas Jefferson character:D

Good Lord our City Library has several Copies of the Koran.......it must be Gods Will.

I really doubt if the USA really knows what is going on with the Muslim Brother Hood and in fact I doubt if the Muslim Brother Hood really knows who is directing them and where they are headed.

The other problem how is someone defining "Threat to the USA".

In one way you could say there is no Threat to the USA because Terrorist attacks are not going to bring the USA down.
But, there are threats to USA Citizens that would be injured or killed in the attacks.
Even the USA Government can only say what it "thinks/believes" is a threat to it.

Is He speaking of the Original US Constitution or the one We have now with all of the added Amendments?
The present US Constitution is clearly against Islam when it comes to the rights of Women. Since Women Constitution wise are considered the Equals of Men.

Please reference for us, where in the Quran it states that women are less equal to men.
I do not recall reading that/those passages.

*Note: Talking about how women are treated in Saudi Arabia, some parts of Africa, or by the Taliban don't count.

So, where they get that **** from then?

- Peter.

Offhand I would say...their nuts.

I was wondering when this thread would degenerate into a bunch of dis-info about Aiysha..Stoning, etc, thereby taking it so far off track as to be un-recognisable.

Surprised it took this long.

Perhaps it can return to a serious discussion now...no ?

So you hire a guy whose 'best buddy' happens to have been convicted for aiding terrorists and give him unfettered access to classified info which he gets caught stealing?

And it was reported this nice fellow and several others were 'hired' without vetting.......cool.

Imagine if this was a Bush admin incident......LOL

McCain, and his recent adventures over in Syria ?

I was going to make this comment myself.

Too many people confuse the customs of one country with the teachings of Islam, but the subject is deep and many do not give the effort necessary to understand the difference.

it was reported this guy was hired without vetting? By whom? Are they in a position to know this as fact?

Sometimes you deal with the Devil as no one else can meet the job requirements.

And perhaps you should look deeper into the Bush administration's hiring practices. Start with the Dept of Justice's degree requirements. Very few administrations operate with totally clean hands. Is the Obama administration expected to suddenly break with a successful way of doing business?

An interesting friend of the US was Ho Chi Minn during World War Two. Ho provided information on Japanese troops to the OSS and provided for the rescue and return of downed US pilots in hopes of the US becoming his partner against the French after the war. In that case it was the US that became the Devil when they sided with France and Ho became our enemy as well as theirs.

Life is hard. It is even harder when you ignore an advantage.

Was Ho Chi Mihn a vetted administration official? :D

And you try to plop Obama's vetting failures on Bush.

How American of you.

There is more but I will give one.
When a Woman testifies Her testimony is worth 1/2 that of a Mans.

Then looking at it from the other end in the Present Muslim dominated Countries is there really Freedom of choice concerning Religion?
Can a Muslim decide to not be religious or change religions and get away unscathed?

One would think Saudi Arabia is the epicenter.

Do any of those groups or Countries Follow the Holy Quran strictly?

See the Below

Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Women - WikiIslam

Ah yes..translations. Dig deeper. Are they literal-honest-modified-reimagined ?

For instance. One of the translators in the text you have provided is named Abu Huraira. A poor man who filled his stomach with Mohammads words. Yet most early Muslims thought he was an idiot who wasted time narrating narratives.

So what great hadiths did Abu provide us with ?

Well...

1) That she monkeys were capable of sexual intercourse and that Abu used to go and stone them.
2) Discussed a man converting to Islam after a wolf hustled him out of one of his sheep.
And of course, the story about Moses beating the crap out of a stone which stole its clothes.

I am still not convinced by your argument. If you are convinced, then by all means believe what you want to believe.

To the OP..sorry for the distraction, I am now finished engaging/entertaining the individual who continues to take your thread topic off its intended path.

Chil~

Rather then a dispute over the translation why not take a look at the actual actions the translations provoke.

The original comment that led to this was that Guys thoughts that the Constitution and Islam OK with each other; it is clear that the present day Constitution and what I read on that site have very little if anything at all in common.

One sect likes hadiths, another sect abhors hadiths.

Some folks write metaphorically and are interpreted literally.

Sometimes that is done just to make a point.

I agree.

And, People pick the one that serves their personal needs and tells us it is Gospel.

So if I believe the worst interpretation and someone else believes the nicest interpretation; what is the reality?

IMO that is one of the most intractable questions in the human condition: Given two world views, where is reality?

I dunno. But I'll go with St Paul on that one: Unto thine own self be true.

Wonder if this had anything to do with how we got here:
Vern Jarrett, President Jarretts father.

http://patdollard.com/wp-content/upl...a09.image_.jpg

http://patdollard.com/2012/09/obama-vetting-1979-newspaper-article-by-valerie-jarrett-father-in-law-reveals-start-of-arab-purchase-of-u-s-presidency/

There was some Guy from the Taliban on TV about 4 Months ago He said "Islam is not Democracy". I agree with that.