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spdrun · #16 11-20-2013, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dynalow

This is true. One wonders: Could it be changed by "Executive Order"?

No, because ticketing is up to the states -- there's no National Highway Patrol.

spdrun · #17 11-20-2013, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by link

That is a problem, because...?

Environmental and energy-use reasons for one thing. We should be encouraging walkable development, not more sprawl.

link · #18 11-20-2013, 10:53 AM

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Environmental and energy-use reasons for one thing. We should be encouraging walkable development, not more sprawl.

Some can afford to commute. Heck, if i could work while driving, I could eek out a few more billable hours. That would more than pay for the commuting time and related costs.

One of the arguments in the article or in a related article I read today suggested one of the tools of the V2V tech was to tax and insure by the mile. I thought taxation at least in part was done in the form of fuel tax, and insurance has an annual mileage cap in most cases.

What is your other objection? People are gonna drive unless it's cost prohibitive.

HuskyMan · #19 11-20-2013, 10:58 AM

Skynet, your friend in time of need.

spdrun · #20 11-20-2013, 11:05 AM

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Some can afford to commute.

Ironically, those who can afford it typically don't. It's the middle-class which gets pushed out to BFE via builders and their media shrills convincing them that they need a 3000 sq ft house.

cornemuse · #21 11-20-2013, 11:13 AM

From the article:

"The Obama administration says this is something it has “no plans” to do even if it does mandate V2V technology in all new cars." (about govt. actually tracking people)

They wont need to, nsa will do it, 'on the house'
As we've seen recently, they pretty much do whatever they want, anyways.

dynalow · #22 11-20-2013, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

No, because ticketing is up to the states -- there's no National Highway Patrol.

Of course. Silly me.

...............

Yet.

spdrun · #23 11-20-2013, 11:22 AM

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Of course. Silly me.

...............

Yet.

Good luck getting the Repugs to fund it when we can't even pass a proper budget.

JamesDean · #24 11-20-2013, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

Interestingly, this kind of info isn't used for tickets now. In theory, EZ-Pass could be used to ticket people via times between toll gates, but in practice, it never happens since the backlash would be huge.

(EZ-Pass does ticket or drop accounts for speeding, but only for speeding through toll booths themselves.)

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Originally Posted by dynalow

This is true. One wonders: Could it be changed by "Executive Order"?

(Around here no one slows to 15mph (?) going through the EZ pass only toll booths, including me for the most part. 20-30 is about as slow as most people travel thru them, if that.)

I've never gotten a speeding ticket for going though the EZ pass toll booth. But ours typically have the gate down so you have to slow down regardless...

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Originally Posted by link

Some can afford to commute. Heck, if i could work while driving, I could eek out a few more billable hours. That would more than pay for the commuting time and related costs.

What is your other objection? People are gonna drive unless it's cost prohibitive.

I commute, at the moment, its more cost effective than moving. The Youngstown/Warren area has a pretty low cost of living compared to Cleveland and its suburbs.

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Ironically, those who can afford it typically don't. It's the middle-class which gets pushed out to BFE via builders and their media shrills convincing them that they need a 3000 sq ft house.

Whats wrong with a 3,000 square foot house? My cousin is building a 9,000 square foot house....

spdrun · #25 11-20-2013, 12:51 PM

I think you need to speed through the booth (the non-stop kind) repeatedly for them to take action against you, or at least they reserve the right to. I've heard that they either fine you or ban you from using EZ-Pass lanes for a certain time period.

What's wrong with a 9000 sf house? Nothing in theory, but practically you're spending a lot of energy heating/cooling dead space. And several-hour-long commutes are wasteful and shouldn't be encouraged. We only have one planet.

Even if I lived (and worked) in a rural area, I still couldn't imagine wanting 3000+ sf -- too much space to maintain clean, heat, cool, etc.

JamesDean · #26 11-20-2013, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

I think you need to speed through the booth (the non-stop kind) repeatedly for them to take action against you, or at least they reserve the right to. I've heard that they either fine you or ban you from using EZ-Pass lanes for a certain time period.

Ah thats what I thought. I know the EZ Pass lanes between OH and PA have one of those that you can just fly though..

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What's wrong with a 9000 sf house? Nothing in theory, but practically you're spending a lot of energy heating/cooling dead space. And several-hour-long commutes are wasteful and shouldn't be encouraged. We only have one planet.

Yeah, quite not sure why 9,000 but hey, its their money. They might be doing geothermal heat I don't know. He makes enough money and is smart enough to be profitable, etc. He's a VP or something of that level at a fairly well known chemical company.

My commute is about an hour each way. I think anything longer and I'd move. I know some people around the office who have equal commutes from areas near Lake Erie and the west side of Cleveland. One of the guys here commutes up from Columbus, which is about 2 hours each way. I couldn't do that. That would make for, leaving at 6 am for work and getting home at 7-8pm. Yikes. I leave at 7 get home at 5:30, not overly horrible.

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Even if I lived (and worked) in a rural area, I still couldn't imagine wanting 3000+ sf -- too much space to maintain clean, heat, cool, etc.

I do a lot of projects and project work so I think I'd like the extra space for working on stuff, maybe not a normal living space, but storage and work area. Suppose that wouldn't need to be heated/cooled year round. I think I understand what you're getting at though.

spdrun · #27 11-20-2013, 01:13 PM

Yeah, I wouldn't mind a huge garage, barn, metal shop, wood shop, whatever but that could be left un-climate controlled for most of the time as you said.

As far as HVAC'ed living space, I grew up in a house that was under 2k sq ft, and I can't see needing more.

SwampYankee · #28 11-20-2013, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by link

I thought taxation at least in part was done in the form of fuel tax...

The "downside" of more fuel efficient vehicles. New revenue streams must be found to feed the beast. Hybrid and clean diesel driver's aren't paying their fair share.

spdrun · #29 11-20-2013, 01:22 PM

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The "downside" of more fuel efficient vehicles. New revenue streams must be found to feed the beast. Hybrid and clean diesel driver's aren't paying their fair share.

Simplest proposed solution was to tax tires, which are a pretty good proxy for miles driven. Inspections would take care of idiots trying to eke out a bit more mileage from worn tires.