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Old 11-23-2013, 07:43 PM
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But you have judged if they need to have "emotional intelligence" or not -solely based on the color of skin that you judge to be considered "black". Blacks don't need to be "emotionally intelligent" as well then?
Those who can see that it upsets some people tend to not do it.

Edit: I didn't judge anything. I used an if then statement. I didn't proclaim anything a certain way, good, bad, didn't give points.

There are two things going on here. First is you're trying to make sense of why some people seem to get away with it and some don't. I'm not even sure that anyone really gets away with it in the end. It'll probably come back to bite society at some time and those who think it's OK to say might find themselves on the receiving end of it. The other issue is how does one, as a human being, respond? I mean OD is pretty good as a sounding board and a surrogate but it's still not a true substitute for when the situation rears its head again.

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Old 11-23-2013, 10:44 PM
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Yes. They have to have a relationship. A relationship that shares a certain set of experiences.

Words uttered by different people mean different things. Words uttered by members of a group with one shared experience do not mean the same as words uttered by a different group with a different set of shared experiences. Words do not have a one to one correspondence between languages. If I gave you an English-Swahili dictionary with the meaning of every single word translated native Swahili speakers would look at you funny if you interjected, maybe even feel a little offended.

It's the same in the workplace. You don't throw engineering terms at engineers if you're in marketing.
I agree with all of the above. The N word for blacks toward other blacks is acceptable because of their group and the same word is an extreme negative when uttered by whites toward blacks.

However, I simply wish to note that this is totally and completely racist. You cannot have it both ways. If you want the word to have a completely different meaning based upon the color of the person uttering it, you accept the fact that you are promoting racism and this is not a good thing.
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Thought I'd throw this recent news item into the mix . . .

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But the Slants have been duking it out with the United States Patent and Trademark Office (PTO) over the past four years because of their name. The PTO refused the band's two trademark applications, saying that "slants" is a disparaging term for people of Asian descent. Now the band plans to take their case to a federal circuit court.
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Old 11-24-2013, 12:16 AM
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So words can change meaning over time? Do we still get to have some words mean two different things based on skin color alone when viewed by observers- and then the observer's skin color comes into play as well?
I offer up as an excellent example the very word under discussion.
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I offer up as an excellent example the very word under discussion.
I agree. I don't think black people a hundred years ago called each other nigga as a term of friendship. Is it possible for whites to use it as such?
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Old 11-24-2013, 06:52 PM
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Those who can see that it upsets some people tend to not do it.

Edit: I didn't judge anything. I used an if then statement. I didn't proclaim anything a certain way, good, bad, didn't give points.

There are two things going on here. First is you're trying to make sense of why some people seem to get away with it and some don't. I'm not even sure that anyone really gets away with it in the end. It'll probably come back to bite society at some time and those who think it's OK to say might find themselves on the receiving end of it. The other issue is how does one, as a human being, respond? I mean OD is pretty good as a sounding board and a surrogate but it's still not a true substitute for when the situation rears its head again.
You MUST judge if someone is black enough to say the word or if they cannot. Never mind if they think they are "black enough"- it's your judgement call.
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Old 11-25-2013, 04:32 PM
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You MUST judge if someone is black enough to say the word or if they cannot. Never mind if they think they are "black enough"- it's your judgement call.
Sorry I can't. If someone wants to say it they can say it. I can only tell you how it makes me feel when I hear it and from a personal POV I hate it whenever I hear it.
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I suppose that brings us back full circle.
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Old 11-26-2013, 08:25 AM
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I simply avoid using word or phrases that might offend anybody. I don't care if it is "fair" or not.
I attempt to use words and phrases which will offend the greatest number of people in the quickest manner possible...
Typically I like to use one's that require some education to understand.
So, the N word doesn't fit my MO...

I was raised to understand that word as describing a lifestyle not a skin color. My dad used the word on a few occasions, and almost always describing white folks. Of course, there was only one black family in our neighborhood....

I think it is the height of stupidity to choose a word with such negative connotations and self apply it or apply it to your friends and peers.
So, I believe the usage of the word breaks down along the lines of intelligence.
Basically, those that routinely use the word in their social groups are uneducated idiots.
Seems to fit most of the sports figures.....
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Sorry I can't. If someone wants to say it they can say it. I can only tell you how it makes me feel when I hear it and from a personal POV I hate it whenever I hear it.
You cannot have it both ways- either a black person can say it or not. Then you must judge if they are black or not. Our president has a "white" mother and a "black" father. If he married a "white" lady would his son be able to say n***** to his friends or would he be out of line? The only thing that determines the answer to that question is how people have judged him to be- black or not black.

It is impossible to judge a person is fine saying N***** unless you also judge if they are "black" to you. Unless you think everyone can say it- then you make no judgement.

Love how you put the "emotional intelligence" in there. Are all people who say N***** emotional stupid then?
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Old 11-26-2013, 01:02 PM
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Old 11-26-2013, 02:35 PM
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You cannot have it both ways- either a black person can say it or not. Then you must judge if they are black or not. Our president has a "white" mother and a "black" father. If he married a "white" lady would his son be able to say n***** to his friends or would he be out of line? The only thing that determines the answer to that question is how people have judged him to be- black or not black.

It is impossible to judge a person is fine saying N***** unless you also judge if they are "black" to you. Unless you think everyone can say it- then you make no judgement.

Love how you put the "emotional intelligence" in there. Are all people who say N***** emotional stupid then?
I'm not going to make rules for other people, and if you don't recognize social context, and if you can't figure out social context then you are either on the spectrum or you're actually being mean.

I used to think, about 13 years ago that some people can say it and some can't, but actually Narwhal here convinced me otherwise.

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