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cmbdiesel · #**181** 12-04-2013, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

Check out the laws in Texas.........and no, Texans aren't at band camp either....

Maybe you could quote them, if you think they are relevant, and/or significantly different than those in Florida.

cmbdiesel · #**182** 12-05-2013, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911

This seems like an exaggeration to Me.
It is extremely seldom that the News Media reports the many times that Armed Citizens hold someone at Gun Point until the Police arrive. Becasue that is not considered News.
So you are not seeing any sort of balanced reporting of those who Shoot and those who do not shoot.
The unbalnced reporting of the News makes it appear that everytime this sort of situation happens someone shoots and kills someone.

I don't think the specific situation has been ignore because the SYG issue was brought up and that issue covers more territory than just this specific issue.
I am with the People who say the Matter should be investigated throughly and if there is grounds to prosecute the Shooter then that is what should be done.

There are far fewer instances of what you suggest, and greatly exaggerated claims of such. Many of those instances do make the news, because they serve to support a political agenda. I would venture that a greater percentage make the news than actual shootings, although I could be wrong.

cmbdiesel · #**183** 12-05-2013, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911

The way I read it you comment was directed towards Alkims Comment and I Paraphrased what Alkim said.

My apologies.

MTUpower · #**184** 12-05-2013, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

There are far fewer instances of what you suggest, and greatly exaggerated claims of such. Many of those instances do make the news, because they serve to support a political agenda. I would venture that a greater percentage make the news than actual shootings, although I could be wrong.

A greater percentage than shootings? Since nearly all shootings make the news somehow, you think that a really super high percentage of people not shot or injured because of the presentation of greater force make the news? Since I see so few of those they must be rare as hens teeth.
Can't say I agree with your % thoughts- it's not news when someone pulls a gun- it's news when it's discharged.

cmbdiesel · #**185** 12-05-2013, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

A greater percentage than shootings? Since nearly all shootings make the news somehow, you think that a really super high percentage of people not shot or injured because of the presentation of greater force make the news? Since I see so few of those they must be rare as hens teeth.
Can't say I agree with your % thoughts- it's not news when someone pulls a gun- it's news when it's discharged.

Brandishing a weapon certainly happens quite often.
Armed home owners holding a criminal at gun point until the police arrive... not so much.
And I believe that most of those instances make the news.
I'm guessing a higher percentage than shootings, because they are so rare.
A person is shot dead in this country every 17 minutes.

It's hard to get truly accurate figures, as most gun studies date back to the 1990's, before Congress systematically eliminated public funding for such work.

Botnst · #**186** 12-05-2013, 07:43 AM

I'll bet nearly 100% of shootings get reported.

One can only guess how many non-shooting incidents occur in which a gun settled or prevented further violence.

Going further, I'll bet nobody will ever, or could ever, have a really good estimate. People don't really want to have police involvement in their lives. Why invite trouble?

Diesel911 · #**187** 12-05-2013, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

There are far fewer instances of what you suggest, and greatly exaggerated claims of such. Many of those instances do make the news, because they serve to support a political agenda. I would venture that a greater percentage make the news than actual shootings, although I could be wrong.

Out here in CA the only time you hear on the News of someone holding a Crimminal at Gun Point on residential Property is when is someone out of he normal like a Grandmother or a 6 Year old.

They do often report when a Covenience Store or Liquor Store Clerk pulls a Gun on Criminials; shots fired or not.

I would say in Southren California there is an antigun Political Agenda. But, I beleive the cause is related to shootings involved with Gang and Drug Trafficing activities.
It is likely that a lot of the Armed Robbery of small Businesses is also to get Money to buy Drugs.

Diesel911 · #**188** 12-05-2013, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Even if he is not prosecuted, that SOB will have to live the rest of his life knowing he gunned down Grandpa...
People are such idiots.

I believe this is just the natural fallout of all the hyperbole spread by the gun-nut crowd. They speak so loudly and with such conviction about our right to defend ourselves with deadly force, that many people are forgetting to apply common sense to determining when that use of force is warranted.
The default seems to be more often, 'the law says I can, so I will' without regard for whether they should....

When I first glanced at the thread title, my mind immediately jumped to 'New slant... 6 engine....' wish there was. Loved the old slant 6.

I prefer the term Gun Enthusiast.

Actually the Gun Nuts/Enthusiast are forced to defend themselves due to being lumped together with the Real Nuts, Stupid’s and Mentally Ill that do something bad with a Gun.
And, the News Media does not mind inferring that all Gun Owners are a similar threat.