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Old 11-29-2013, 09:10 AM
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A new slant on the "stand your ground" thing

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Old 11-29-2013, 09:56 AM
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Even if he is not prosecuted, that SOB will have to live the rest of his life knowing he gunned down Grandpa...
People are such idiots.

I believe this is just the natural fallout of all the hyperbole spread by the gun-nut crowd. They speak so loudly and with such conviction about our right to defend ourselves with deadly force, that many people are forgetting to apply common sense to determining when that use of force is warranted.
The default seems to be more often, 'the law says I can, so I will' without regard for whether they should....


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Old 11-29-2013, 09:58 AM
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Who was taking care of the old guy? Hard to call this one.

Idiotic mistakes are not connected to any hyperbole. The left will try to force any connection they can.
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:38 AM
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Guys going to have a hard time demonstrating ' fear for his life'.
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:43 AM
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Even if he is not prosecuted, that SOB will have to live the rest of his life knowing he gunned down Grandpa...
People are such idiots.

I believe this is just the natural fallout of all the hyperbole spread by the gun-nut crowd. They speak so loudly and with such conviction about our right to defend ourselves with deadly force, that many people are forgetting to apply common sense to determining when that use of force is warranted.
The default seems to be more often, 'the law says I can, so I will' without regard for whether they should....
It is much easier, in the light of day (literally in this case) to see what you should or should not have done. If I had run the Quarterback position, I wouldn't have passed in this case or I would have passed, etc, etc. Monday Morning Quarterback is pretty easy a job. An 0400 disturbance and the person uncooperative is not an easy thing to work with. You have no clue at the time if it will turn out to be simply that he was drunk or that the guy is stonned out on something that he could turn violent. I have, in my job seen a lot of violent Alzheimer's patients that should be in a lock-down facility. Some of them, even RNs have to wear a lifeline that they can call help when the patient gets violent. The image you are trying to conjure up is a harmless sweet grandpa that somebody shot down in his rocking chair. What you failed deliberately to mention was that this was a guy who was scaring people at 0400 who don't know who or what is there. It isn't always easy to know. Considering the world we live in today where you could stop for a broken down car only to be jacked, well, it isn't difficult to see why the resident didn't feel good.

As to cops, they are after the fact and only good for writing up reports so you can claim insurance. Hell, people have reported things and cops are too tied up to bother. I have had to practically hand them a suspect before they charged him. I had to do all the leg work while they said "Well, we probably can't find him, yada, yada, yada.". Had it happen where we called the cops and told them that someone was breaking into a car in the parking lot and they didn't want to bother.
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:47 AM
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Guys going to have a hard time demonstrating ' fear for his life'.
Why? If the guy was advancing towards him after he tried to chase him off, it is looking good. OTOH, if the guy was walking away from his door and was shot in the back, not so good.
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Old 11-29-2013, 11:42 AM
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Stand your ground laws are fantastic, the media portrays them poorly because they have an agenda.

They prevent you from going to jail or having to lose your house and rights to fight a several year long court case, if say you gunned down a robber who was trying to get into your kids room. Of if your at a gas station and someone tries to jack your car with a toddler in the back seat...

Many people who have had a legitimate DGU have lost just about everything in states without stand your ground laws and DA's that hate gun owners.

Like any law they can be abused, but that doesn't mean they don't serve a legitimate purpose. Although I think cases of abuse are exceedingly rare.
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Old 11-29-2013, 12:24 PM
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Guys going to have a hard time demonstrating ' fear for his life'.
Right. Is someone merely being in your yard (as opposed to trying to break into your house) good enough cause to shoot at them? What if it were a healthy person who didn't understand English but was seeking help, or someone running from an assault?
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Old 11-29-2013, 12:29 PM
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Old 11-29-2013, 12:37 PM
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Guys going to have a hard time demonstrating ' fear for his life'.
Did all four shots hit him?
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Old 11-29-2013, 12:40 PM
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...They speak so loudly and with such conviction about our right to defend ourselves with deadly force...
They take it so far that it becomes almost a duty to use deadly force, even when other means of defense are available.
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Old 11-29-2013, 12:50 PM
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Stand your ground laws are fantastic, the media portrays them poorly because they have an agenda.

They prevent you from going to jail or having to lose your house and rights to fight a several year long court case, if say you gunned down a robber who was trying to get into your kids room. Of if your at a gas station and someone tries to jack your car with a toddler in the back seat...

Many people who have had a legitimate DGU have lost just about everything in states without stand your ground laws and DA's that hate gun owners.

Like any law they can be abused, but that doesn't mean they don't serve a legitimate purpose. Although I think cases of abuse are exceedingly rare.

Neither of your examples have anything to do with the SYG laws. They are covered by the Castle doctrine. SYG has to do with being out in a public place. Such as being in a park where you see a gun man in the distance. With SYG you can stand your ground and kill the person instead of turning and seeking cover or leavjng the area.
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...They prevent you from going to jail or having to lose your house and rights to fight a several year long court case, if say you gunned down a robber who was trying to get into your kids room...
Stand-your-ground has never been necessary in that type of case. The parent in your scenario has always had the right to kill a robber trying to get into his or her kids' room.
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Of if your at a gas station and someone tries to jack your car with a toddler in the back seat...
Same as the first example. Has nothing to do with the recent stand-your-ground laws.
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Many people who have had a legitimate DGU have lost just about everything in states without stand your ground laws and DA's that hate gun owners.
I don't know what you mean by "many," but I'm guessing that the pain wrongfully inflicted on those people is cummulatively less than the pain wrongfully inflicted on and by people who use deadly force when other means of defense were available.
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Like any law they can be abused, but that doesn't mean they don't serve a legitimate purpose. Although I think cases of abuse are exceedingly rare.
Well, I think cases where SYG served a beneficial purpose are exceedingly rare. So, without more, my "exceedingly rare" cancels out yours. It's a tie.

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Old 11-29-2013, 12:57 PM
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Didn't Uncle Junior shoot Tony on the Sopranos? He had Alzhiemers, I'm just sayin....

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