That was My point. Saudi Arabia calls for some sort of equality concerning the regulating of weapons of mass destruction when it is only Isreael is a isolated Country surrounded by Enemies.

Also as far as I know Isreal has no Terrorist out there killing Western Folks and at the same time does not have a Religion that stresses dying for their Religion.
Meaning some Islamic groups would not like useing a Atomic Bomb or other Weapons of mass destruction even if to do so killed themselves and even other innocent Muslims and simply say it was Gods Will.

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This 'Surrounded by Enemies' thing you are pushing is false, and nothing more than Propaganda.

Have you seen a map of all of the Western military installations that ARE surrounding Iran ? Google it, then tell is all who is surrounded by potential enemies...AND, is not retaliating by spreading propaganda, or threatening any other country.

The answer is Iran...but you knew that, right ?

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Then I guess you will be happy when Iran develops Atomic Weapons so they can get the USA to back off.

So it is not true than Israel is surrounded by Enemies?

I have even read of Terrorist attacks coming from the Seaward Side of the Isreal.

When the Islamic Terrorist attacked us they the left themselves open to retaliation; they sent us in invitation.

Since the Islamic Terrorist/Enemies themselves are from different Countries and are spread out over different Countries and those Countries support them, don't care if they are there or simply are not powerful enough to get rid of them the question is what is really holding US back to go and get them?

Apparently the USA is trying to atain some sort of containmint of the Terrorist problems. Hoping to keep the Violence down to some level and also hoping that time will change things for the better.

My Personal though is that the USA and the European Countries ought to simply back off and let the Israelis do there thing.

I think People in the USA have a higher regard for Iranian lives then the Iranians do for thei own People and Iranians have even less reguard for Our lives and where dose that place Isralies?

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I work with quite a few Iranians in the US, who immigrated after the revolution (80s and even 90s). Most of them are intelligent, decent people, if a bit pushy. It's not their fault that their home country's government is run by thugs (or at least mean talkers(*)). I'd hate to see people like them, or their families, killed.

(*) - ex-President Ahmadinejad may have blustered a lot about nukes, but the shadow religious leadership was clear as a bell in its decree that use of nuclear weapons was a sin and a crime. I think that, as with the Soviets before them, a lot of people in the West misjudge Iran. It's a culture that has managed to survive far longer than ours, and didn't do so through stupidity. They know that certain lines aren't to be crossed, and I don't think they have any plans to be incinerated in a local thermonuclear war.

I may add that I have more hope for a (Islamically) democratic Iran in 20 years than a democratic Saudi Arabia, Jordan, or many other Middle Eastern countries. Strong tradition of a revolutionary, educated middle class, plus an expat community with decent money that can be repatriated when the time is right.

Irans religious leaders have a fatwa against the use of nuclear weapons, never heard of the Iranian government breaking a fatwa. Those fanatics take those things pretty serious.

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In the past comments of appeasement are often announced before hostilities break out. Leaderships; even religious ones change.

While that area of the World has had continuous cultures for long periods of time the culture of that area have changed hands many times. And, the area has only been somewhat on its own since the Ottoman Empire was dismembered; resulting in a Colonial period and a more recent Period of being on its own.
Becasue they have 2 Muslim Religious sects does not mean they have a common culture.
Historically speaking all kinds of People from even from thousands of Miles away lived in their Cities when they were the most advanced culture in the Wold.

I suppose it depends on what you consider Democracy.
Can there be a Democracy without religious freedom?

I believe what one of the Taliban Guys said on TV. He said Islam is not Democracy.
I fact I think any Theocracy is not Democracy.

As someone mentioned in another thread that the USA Supports Dictators. I responded that the USA Supported Dictators be cause they allowed USA Business intrests to operate in the Country.
While Saudi has a King; not exactly a Dictator the USA has no intreast in deposing the King due to USA Business intrests.
So I don't think any Western Nation wants to see them change to a Democracy.

I also get the impression that it is the Monarchy that runs the Country. The Monarchy supports religious Law but the Religious Leaders don't appear to have the Control they do in other Islamic Countries in the area.

The Persons who did the 9/11 Attacks likely were also good People also. But, they killed thousands. Their Religious Beliefs and what there Religious or otherwise Leaders were telling them was stronger then their personal goodness.

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Is Israel a democracy? How about Malaysia? Or any number of European countries which hold Christianity as an official religion?

Sure, leaders can change, but one promising feature of Iran is the balance of power between secular and religious leadership. One side seems to always be somewhat reasonable despite the other's bluster. (Perhaps it's a geopolitical case of good-cop/bad-cop.)

Could this change? Sure. But I don't think there will ever be enough insane people acting in concert to take an action that will destroy Iran.

As far as Saudi, what the West thinks is best for them, and itself, isn't necessarily the best for them. Personally, I hope for a democratic revolution there in the next 20 years, but I don't hold out much hope Not with a bribed public and workers being imported rather than developing a modicum of skills and education among the Saudi public.

This is totally of topic but about Iran.

I have read that Iran has huge Natural Gas deposits. They could have easily and cheaply and safely set up Power Plant/s using Natural Gas instead of going Atomic.

So it is clear they made a spicific choice to go Atomic. The reason/s?

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I think the sand needs to be sifted more. The only country to pin the taliban badge to is saudi arabia. But fir some reason the us does not consider that.

A little studying will show that this vermin called tban is now out killing a specific muslim type

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Are you saying that countries that have large fossil fuel deposits should be forced to use them and spew carbon into the air, rather than going for cleaner nuclear energy?

There are plenty of other reasons. Making weapons is one. Medical isotope production is another. Third is keeping up with other countries technologically.

"In its more feverish form, the Saudi's apprehension is not that the U.S. will leave them more eposed to Iran, but that it will reach a reconciliation and ultimately anoint Iran as the central American ally in the region.
As the Saudi newspaper Al Riyada put it recently in an unsigned column: 'The Geneva negotiations are just a prelude to a new chapter of convergence "between the U.S. and Iran". Robert Worth-NYT


What Is Behind The Rivalry Between Iran And Saudi Arabia? - YouTube

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Just like Tawirya.

I think that and Pride are part of the reasons. But, I also think that making the West and of course Isreal ueasy is also an added bonus for them.
Not unlike Nort Korea launching Missles.

Natural Gas has a decent Emissions record. Perhaps Technology could make it even cleaner burning.

One has to wonder what a Nuclear Power Plant disaster in that area would do. In our on Country and other more advanced Countries the Nuclear Power Plants have not had many catastrophic disasters but the do have a record of a lot of maintenance violations.

Also How many Nuclear Power Plants are there in the whole World?

Even in the High Tech Countries they seem to be difficult to run properly.

The reality is that all of the Nuclear Power Plants are really experimental.

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I pissed a Jewish Guy off by saying that Israel; because it had so may People in Uniform and in the Military reserve had a lot of aspects of a Military State. My goal was not to make Him mad but I felt that with a large portion of the Population under Military Command it must have some effect on Politics. But, the reality is that I believe they have some sort of Parliamentary System after that I don't know much about their Government.
However, Israel is very strict about looking after their own interests to the extent that they are a reluctant Allie; they are not an Enemy.

Malaysia; I have no idea what type of Government they have and have not read of them being an threat to anyone or Country.

Official Religion or not the Church does not run the Country. Do you believe that the Curch in any of the Euro Countries the fit your description could order any sort of terrorist attack or start a conventional War?
Having Christianity as an official religion is not the same has a Theocracy.

In any of the European Countries that have Christianity as an official Religion are Atheists or other People of other Religions prevented from participating in the Government because of their religious beliefs?

the·oc·ra·cy [thee ókrəssee]
(plural the·oc·ra·cies)
n
1. government by god: government by a god or by priests 2. community governed by god: a community governed by a god or priests



I thought Saudi Arabia and their Monarchy were a creation of the West.
Saudi Arabia is one of the Stricter Religious States; not conducive to Deomcracy. In this sense Saudi Arabia might be better of if Mecca and Medina were not in their Country. That means as the Religious Center they need to be strict.

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Historically, the churches did order wars (remember the Crusades) and participate in state terrorism (Inquisition) -- the countries have just moved beyond that. My hope is that Iran will do the same, even if it still is officially an Islamic democracy.